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    Default New to cane.

    I have recently had a couple of short cane fly rods made for me. Both under 6', and they cast and fish beautifully! I wish I'd looked into using cane earlier!
    My only reservation is they tend to develop a minor set occasionally, after catching a fish. It's generally about the top 18' ! But I simply bend it back and it straightens instantly! I don't abuse the rods , but I suppose I work them hard! I've been flyfishing for 40 years and have cast a lot of top carbon & glass rods, and as casting tools these cane rods are faultless! So my question is , is this malleability in the tip normal?


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    Default Re: New to cane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven kermode View Post
    I have recently had a couple of short cane fly rods made for me. Both under 6', and they cast and fish beautifully! I wish I'd looked into using cane earlier!
    My only reservation is they tend to develop a minor set occasionally, after catching a fish. It's generally about the top 18' ! But I simply bend it back and it straightens instantly! I don't abuse the rods , but I suppose I work them hard! I've been flyfishing for 40 years and have cast a lot of top carbon & glass rods, and as casting tools these cane rods are faultless! So my question is , is this malleability in the tip normal?


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    After catching a fish???
    It happens on my 7ft #3 sometimes Stephen, but a bit of finger pressure in the opposite soon corrects it, no steam necessary.
    So yes I suppose it is normal.
    S.
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    Sorry, I disagree, it's not normal. I have several split cane rods and none of them take a set after catching a fish. They are all over 50 years old and are straight, having caught loads of trout.

    If the cane is not correctly tempered it might take a set. You should hold the rod low when playing a fish to take most of the load in the middle/butt. Also use a long handled landing net. If you use one of the small, tennis racquet style nets, the rod tends to go back over the shoulder when netting a fish. This puts an acute bend in the tip section.

    If you hook a really big fish, hold the rod reel side up during the fight.

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    Sorry, I disagree, it's not normal. I have several split cane rods and none of them take a set after catching a fish. They are all over 50 years old and are straight, having caught loads of trout.

    If the cane is not correctly tempered it might take a set. You should hold the rod low when playing a fish to take most of the load in the middle/butt. Also use a long handled landing net. If you use one of the small, tennis racquet style rods, the rod tends to go back over the shoulder when netting a fish. This puts an acute bend in the tip section.

    If you hook a really big fish, hold the rod reel side up during the fight.
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    Default Re: New to cane.

    [QUOTE=sofasurfer;2588929

    If the cane is not correctly tempered it might take a set. You should hold the rod low when playing a fish to take most of the load in the middle/butt. Also use a long handled landing net. If you use one of the small, tennis racquet style nets, the rod tends to go back over the shoulder when netting a fish. This puts an acute bend in the tip section.

    If you hook a really big fish, hold the rod reel side up during the fight.

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    Yup, wot 'ee said above.

    I think it's unlikely that you would be unlucky enough to purchase two badly tempered rods. Heat treating bamboo increases it's resistance to taking a set but doesn't guarantee it. You can still abuse a rod to death if you try hard enough. I think you're probably doing what used to be called high sticking, that is holding the rod at a high angle and putting too much pressure on the tip. It's very common among people "raised" on carbon fibre. This sometimes starts a temporary set which will straighten out if left, but it eventually becomes permanent. Harry Boyd is an american maker who has sold near enough a thousand rods. He also designs and sells heat treating ovens for rodmakers. He knows his stuff and has recommended giving the rod a vigorous jiggle, side to side and up and down at the end of the day to help straighten these temporary sets. But good technique can prevent them entirely.
    As advised above, a long net helps and play the fish off the mid and butt. A smooth draw when netting helps as well. Hand landing anything half decent is for carbon fibre using showoffs. I have many bamboo rods from an 8'#8 saltwater taper down to a 6'#3, none of them have sets. It's just a matter of adapting your style to suit.

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    Default Re: New to cane.

    Some very interesting points about using short pan nets with Split cane rods.
    I have always used these types of nets when fishing with my cane rods but i can see now how a longer net would stress the cane less. i will look for something longer.
    As for the rods taking a set, i would say most of my rods are straight and if they had a slight set i would not be too concerned.
    I do think that the quality of the original bamboo used and the way it was heat treated counts for a lot, although i have never built a rod from scratch yet.
    I do think if looked after, and dried and stored well, Split cane rods are tougher than most people imagine. Recently on a small brook, i lifted into a good fish, only to get the tip section tangled and stuck in some low branches. The rod tip was bent into some alarming angles before i could get it free. I netted the fish and was relieved to find no signs of damage to the rod.
    Im sure if the rod had been carbon, it would have shattered!

    Steve
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    Default Re: New to cane.

    Sets can be produced by one or a combination of the following ;
    1) Incorrectly tempered or heat treated cane.
    2) An adhesive problem
    3) An excessively overloaded rod ( eg during fish playing )
    4) incorrect storage ( eg by leaning the rod against a wall )
    5) Damp in the cane ( usually seen in old rods that have been poorly stored).
    The above said and in the knowledge you have new rods if after catching a fish the rod set disappears by “swishing the rod a few times” you do NOT have a problem . If the set remains after catching a fish and will not straighten by swishing the rod a few times you DO have a problem .

    Hope you find this information of some use and you end up being pleased with your new rods .

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