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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Single leg ring as tip ring?

    your thinking doesn't offend me, I just wonder if you would be better off thinking more about fishing than the technicalities, OK you are just back from fishing , it's close season for us in the highlands, I either tie flies ,or build rods, I don't think many suppliers give you the weights of the ring sets,I fish hill lochs and I can fish all day round a series of lochs, I have a home built lefty kreh 5wt, I buy my bits from Hilevel.com, I have no idea what it weighs or its swing weight, just that I like it as a rod , Ohanzee had a go with it and liked it, but good luck with your deliberations, easker1

  2. #12
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    Default Re: Single leg ring as tip ring?

    Lined rings are not hayforks, these are. Seymo Standard hard chrome tip top - Seymo - Tips
    They have the hardest chrome of any guide and weigh approx 8 grains depending on tube size.
    Personally, I wouldn't use a single leg guide in case my casting introduced a rotational strain, my wrist tends to twist outwards. I think I would probably tend to twist the guide around the blank and damage the rod tip or wrap. I think a tube is just more secure. However it's your rod, whatever you do post pictures for us please.

    Simon.
    To the person who stole my antidepressants.....
    I hope you're happy.

  3. #13
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    Default Re: Single leg ring as tip ring?

    Roll on the proper fishing season.

    Jim
    The Fishermans Friend is the Flirty Fly,Fickle Food for Fleeting Fish.

  4. #14

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    If you take a look at the (American) rod building forums you'll see that a number of builders use and adapt single leg guides as tips. If saving weight is an absolute must then I see no downsides apart from the extra labour required if you need to fit a replacement in the future. You might also want to consider alternatives to 2 part resin for coating threadwork such as a few coats of good old humbrol clear from a modelling shop. You'd be surprised at the weight of highbuild 'epoxy'

  5. #15

    Default Re: Single leg ring as tip ring?

    Quote Originally Posted by splinters View Post
    Lined rings are not hayforks, these are. Seymo Standard hard chrome tip top - Seymo - Tips
    They have the hardest chrome of any guide and weigh approx 8 grains depending on tube size.
    Personally, I wouldn't use a single leg guide in case my casting introduced a rotational strain, my wrist tends to twist outwards. I think I would probably tend to twist the guide around the blank and damage the rod tip or wrap. I think a tube is just more secure. However it's your rod, whatever you do post pictures for us please.

    Simon.
    I've gone right of chrome rings since I wrecked a 80 fly line not realising that the tip ring had grooved. Looking at the ring closely under a microscope, the chrome had worn away to the base metal, which being softer had rapidly worn leaving sharp edges to the chrome that basically rips the line to shreds like a sharp knife. So I now prefer a ring that is a homogeneous metal so that the wear is more uniform and doesn't leave sharp edges.

  6. #16

    Default Re: Single leg ring as tip ring?

    Quote Originally Posted by liphook View Post
    If you take a look at the (American) rod building forums you'll see that a number of builders use and adapt single leg guides as tips. If saving weight is an absolute must then I see no downsides apart from the extra labour required if you need to fit a replacement in the future. You might also want to consider alternatives to 2 part resin for coating threadwork such as a few coats of good old humbrol clear from a modelling shop. You'd be surprised at the weight of highbuild 'epoxy'

    Bearing this in mind I won't be using high build epoxy on my rod, simply the minimum amount of epoxy I can get away with. High build is just for cosmetics and what the buyers expect. After all, for most of the rings the whipping and epoxy are there just to stop the ring from moving and whipping plus one coat of diluted epoxy should do that. The only rings that have strain on them are the tip and striping rings. So I'll probably give them an extra few coats. I reckon I can easily make a tip ring that weighs less than 0.1g, so I have quite a bit of leeway over how much resin I can use.

  7. #17

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    I've just heard from Rec that they changed the barrel from aluminium to stainless steel on their tip ring to prevent corrosion, hence the increase in weight from 0.22 to 0.45g. So I decided to make my own ring from 5cm of 0.8mm memory nitinol, which weighs in at 0.2g. If I did it again I would probably use the 0.6mm wire which would only weigh 0.15g. I didn't realise how hard the metal would be. I tried to file the ends of the feet down to a taper with a fine hard steel metal file and it didn't touch it, so I used a diamond embedded knife sharpener! It was dead easy to make. My metal snips did finally cut through the wire and it was easy to shape into a 5mm internal diameter ring round a drill bit with 2cm feet, like a single leg guide but with less of an angle. As heat returns the ring to its original state, I heat annealed it at red heat to reset the shape using my wife's cooks blowtorch. I had to hold the shape on the drill with a mole wrench to stop it from going out of shape on heating. It took me about 10 minutes to do, but I originally just heated it holding it with pliers and it went out of shape, so I had to start again. The metal changes shape easily but it seems OK on the rod with the tight ring and I've put araldite on the bend to prevent it from straightening. I've now whipped it onto the rod tip and looking forward to trying it out, though the river looks as though it will be too high for nymphing this weekend.

  8. #18
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    Default Re: Single leg ring as tip ring?

    Well done! A photo would be good if you're happy with the result.

  9. #19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis Chessman View Post
    Well done! A photo would be good if you're happy with the result.
    After seeing your excellent results I would be too embarrassed to show you mine! However, if it stays on, doesn't wear and catches fish, that's all I ask. I have just heard again from Rec and what some people do is to pull the ring away from the tube (it is only crimped in place) and tie it on without the tube - weighs in at less than 0.1g.

  10. #20

    Default Re: Single leg ring as tip ring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis Chessman View Post
    Well done! A photo would be good if you're happy with the result.
    Please see below the (fuzzy) picture of the ring tip. My old camera can't take very good close up pictures. Although I used a 5mm former for the ring size, because of the thickness of the wire it ended up at 7mm. Using finer wire you would be able to get 5mm OK. It should still work.

    Single leg ring as tip ring?-ring-tip-jpg

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