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Old 06-01-2016, 12:31 PM
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note the size of the gravel
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The Wye community was dealt, yesterday, an unkindly blow with the passing of Major General Hopkinson,owner of Bigsweir. He was at the forefront of the efforts to improve the river for many,many years and his enthusiasm will be missed by us all. Condolences are extended to his family on their sad loss.
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One relevance was that that is what i wrote. Another relevance is that the fish claimed to have been caught may not have accrued to true day ticket fishers if the beat is being fished for a percentage of the time by 'season' rods or syndicate members who may have been fishing the beat for many years. Surely you understand the relevance of that to the chances of an occasional day ticket fisher catching a fish?

Most of the fish at Cadora Backs are caught by a persistent day ticket fisher call MH from St Briavels (about 4 miles from Cadora Backs) he caught 23 of the fish, or maybe he was just reporting other peoples catches, well done to him must be a local.

What would be useful would be if WUF could reveal how many day tickets were let for each beat and how many salmon were caught by those day ticket fishers. They must have that information available.

WSA have never let day tickets although we have made free fishing available, on behalf of some owners, to encourage people back to fishing the wye.
I've never heard of anyone trying to place any form of 'weighting' on rods - or their chances of success - depending whether they are day or season! There are many variables that influence the effectiveness of a rod, of which familiarity with the water is just one. If a beat is fished by four rods, and is fully rodded, that means four rod days - end of story.

But as I say, I think this is a diversion from the matter in hand, which is to try to give some advice on fishing that is available by the day. I'm well aware that WSA don't let fishing, which is why I was careful to say that they had 'rods available by the day'. But I don't suppose that Paul100 will object if he doesn't have to pay! So why don't you take the opportunity to give some helpful information - for him and other readers - about what WSA will have available in 2016, in order to further the objective of getting more people to fish the river?

On the subject of Cadora Backs, MH of St Briavels isn't a 'persistent day rod' - he's the owner! One reason that he catches most of the fish there is that until now it has been very lightly let - though as the owner he may well report others' catches too. But I understand that the letting arrangements may change somewhat for 2016, following that change in ownership of Redbrook.

Now in the spirit of helpful and constructive posting that Sewinbasher asks for (and which I echo), are you able or willing to shed any light on the merits of Goodrich Court, as I previously asked? How familiar are you with the beat, and is your assessment of it as 'best' based on catch average alone, or did you take other factors into account, too?
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Never fished it Charlie, have you? It seems best / most productive from a day ticket perspective out of the WUF waters, as i believe the original intention was to keep it as a Salmon only beat in the Salmon season. So simply from the records of success of actual day ticket rods. I disagree with your four rods end of story scenario, the gentleman was asking after day tickets and catches by seasoned or otherwise season rods can muddy the waters as far as chances to catch a fish go. It seems that the average catch to day ticket purchasers at Cadora Backs (you mentioned it btw) is 3.
Maybe this is helpful and constructive, one could always fish the Red Lion at Bredwardine, 4 miles of fishing, 25 per day from the hotel or 30 - 37 from WUF plus a booking fee.


As for WSA's free fishing initiative, its January 6th, we rely on the generosity of owners to be able to offer these opportunities and when we have compiled what we are able to offer, thanks to these owners, we will make such information available to the public.
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Old 06-01-2016, 03:51 PM
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As ever you are misinformed and wrong Commando1.

I've missed the personal attacks and jibes. Well done. Happy new year.

What have you done for the Wye since you were sacked by WUF C1?
Don't you know the difference between redundant and sacked?

So you didn't fish a season at Gromain once 'for free'?
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Old 06-01-2016, 03:58 PM
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..and I thought C1 was doing something more constructive with his time.

I can't say that I've missed his incisive and informative contributions and my heart sank when I saw that he was posting again and more so when I read a typically trivial post intended only to annoy, insult or start an argument.

I'm probably wasting my words but can't we have a New Year Resolution from you C1, to cut the usual nature of your posts and post something helpful or constructive or don't bother.
Pipe down Paul for goodness sake. You've obviously been missing Stealth Fox and his chums postings over the Christmas period annoying, insulting and starting arguments with other posters in my absence. Your main concern is that every debate you and I have, you lose. Remember your statement claiming there are more sewin than bullheads in the Towy...?!

There was nothing abussive, insulting or argumentative in my post by the way...I just stated I understood Stealth Fox, like all of us, enjoy free fishing. He is now claiming he hasn't fished a season at Gromain without paying for it. Obviously I was ill informed...! Perhaps he just forgot to pay?

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Can we guess who it was who "ill-informed you C1?
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You really are a mine of misinformation Commando1.

You were sacked surely?

You didn't mention what you have done for the Wye since you were sacked? Is it nothing?
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Never fished it Charlie, have you? It seems best from a day ticket perspective as i believe the original intention was to keep it as a Salmon only beat in the Salmon season. So simply from the records of success of actual day ticket rods. I disagree with your four rods end of story scenario, the gentleman was asking after day tickets and catches by seasoned or otherwise season rods can muddy the waters as far as chances to catch a fish go. It seems that the average catch to day ticket purchasers at Cadora Backs (you mentioned it btw) is 3.
As for WSA's free fishing initiative, its January 6th, we rely on the generosity of owners to be able to offer these opportunities and when we have compiled what we are able to offer, thanks to these owners, we will make such information available to the public.
No I don't know Goodrich Court either. If I did I would have been able to comment on it myself - and clearly I was mistaken in thinking that your recommendation of it was based on some knowledge. I do know Cadora Backs a bit.

If the average catch to day tickets at CB is 3, I think that confirms my view that it would be foolish to place much reliance on this alone, as it doesn't give any indication of the potential of the beat. As I mentioned, it has been very lightly let until now, but with an arrangement with Redbrook that I won't trouble you with the details of other than to say that it meant that sometimes (though irregularly) season rods would fish CB instead of Redbrook.

'MH of St Briavels' is well over 80, and, although his knowledge of the water is unsurpassed, he doesn't fish nearly as much or as hard as he used - and he doesn't wade at all these days. I wonder how you would 'weight' his fishing effort; a 'rod day' for him might easily be just an hour or two. And the fact that he caught most of the fish from the beat simply reflects the fact that not many other people fished it, and I really don't think that you can infer that those fish wouldn't have been caught by others. Incidentally, the two main pools are pretty obvious for anyone to see, and although, as anywhere, there is much to be said for intimate knowledge of it, it's not difficult for a stranger to find their way round the beat.

It's also worth bearing in mind your mention of the fact that Goodrich's catch of 20-odd is shared between 2-4 rods. Cadora Backs is really only a single rod beat; although a second rod is permitted it wouldn't ever be let as a full two rod beat. So its average of 23 fish represents a far higher return per rod than Goodrich. Similarly, Upper Bigsweir is only a 2 rod beat, so its average of 12 isn't so very far behind Goodrich on a per-rod basis.

Anyway, the point of all this is to draw attention to a couple of other beats that are available on a day ticket and would be worth paul100's consideration. I'll look forward to hearing what WSA has to offer in due course, too.
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Old 06-01-2016, 04:21 PM
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You really are a mine of misinformation Commando1.

You were sacked surely?

You didn't mention what you have done for the Wye since you were sacked? Is it nothing?
I've done as much as you've done for the last 35 years Stealth Fox!

Do people get a redundancy payment when they get sacked in your fantasy world of make belief Stealth Fox? I'm doing great so don't panic, I'm posting from Whistler in Canada!

You and Paul rise so easily! I'm laughing out loud here! Good to know you didn't fish Gromain for a season and forgot to pay at the end, that would be very ungentlemanly im sure you'd agree?

I'll leave you get back to your other debates and arguments with other posters.

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