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Old 07-01-2017, 11:18 PM
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Distribution seems to have no logic. In most (but not all) Derbyshire supermarkets there are no fly fishing magazines but more than one sea fishing magazine. I'm not sure any English county is further from the sea...
I would suggest it's the same logic that we get up here. The stocking of all UK outlets of the big 4 are based on UK-wide sales figures of the top publications. If you are in the UK top however many, every branch stocks you, no matter how your intended market sector is distributed within these Isles. If you are not in the top however many, you are out as far as the big 4 are concerned, and it's then up to you to distribute yourself to Co-ops, WH Smith, local retailers, etc.

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Old 07-01-2017, 11:29 PM
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Yeah, I've no doubt that is the explanation but as with many situations a 'one size fits all' solution is the easiest but least effective approach. It's probably simpler for someone but not the consumers or (I'd guess) the store managers who end up with unsold stock.
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Trout and Salmon in their wisdom, decided to dilute and almost combat this obituary by publishing a TWO PAGE article (page 50) in the same edition, Entitled, ''A Case For The Defence'' by Dr Martin Jaffa, a supposed independent advocate of the aquaculture industry
Ahh Dr Jaffa, the same guy who suggest farmed salmon should be farmed without pigmentation so the farmers can sell them as white to fish and chip shops, or that anglers are responsible for salmon declines as 210 were killed on a river by anglers, you have to wonder if rod and line is so successful why has it never been commercialised ?.

He is probably the biggest parasite that our wild salmon face today.

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I would suggest it's the same logic that we get up here. The stocking of all UK outlets of the big 4 are based on UK-wide sales figures of the top publications. If you are in the UK top however many, every branch stocks you, no matter how your intended market sector is distributed within these Isles. If you are not in the top however many, you are out as far as the big 4 are concerned, and it's then up to you to distribute yourself to Co-ops, WH Smith, local retailers, etc.
The numbers don't really work. T&S has a circulation of about 23,000. It doesn't even get close to the top 100 UK mags. I saw it once somewhere around 450 in the top 500.

And there's about 12,000 UK major supermarket stores. (A couple thousand of those are Co-op locals.) So maybe 3 mags per month could be sold by them if they swallowed the entire market. It's not going to happen whilst everyone is fighting for space.

I've never seen it sold in supermarkets in the South either, so it's not an anti-Scot thing. I've always found mine in WH Smith and never thought much of it. We're a minority interest group, not mass market.
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I agree with tangled on this, we are a small specialised interest group and how many actually buy the magazines anymore. I haven't bought one for years(I glance through them in WH Smiths if I have my reading glasses with me) as they don't contain much that is of interest to me. I've learned more on this forum in the last six months than I ever did from years of reading magazines.
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this article within the very same edition as Bruce Sandison's obituary, and demonstrates to me the total lack of respect that an English Publication has shown towards it's Scottish readers.
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Just drives me mad that after making an obviously heartfelt point about Bruce Sandison you feel the need to drive the English/Scottish wedge in again?! I'm an English salmon fisher, who loves Scotland, who passionately followed the reading and suggestions of Bruce and cannot tell you of my frustration of you (in my humble opinion) somehow diluting that passion with this stupid nationality nonsense. How has that helped in anyway at all?

We are all salmon fishers from the same planet so the way a magazine owned by a German/Dutch(?) media company with an English(?) editor and contributors from who knows, is laid out, is of no relevance to English/Scottish relations. RIP Bruce Sandison.

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If you're going in to Tesco ( a well known retailer I've seen as far north as Elgin ;-) ), don't bother looking for T&S on the shelf just buy your other goods and make sure to collect Clubcard points

T&S is then "free" (and very reasonable):

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You can also get TF on a similar basis....

Personally I doubt it's anything to do with a border issue, last month we had Cap'n Col and Stan Headley featuring the far north, this month "How to fish the Dee" is on the front page.....etc
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The numbers don't really work. T&S has a circulation of about 23,000. It doesn't even get close to the top 100 UK mags...
Aye, the point we are making is that if you are in, for example, Inverness, you are deep in the heart of trout and salmon country, so the proportion of T&S's UK circulation figure of 23,000 being sold to folk in that area, per capita, will be much higher than it will be in somewhere like Birmingham. Yet, if your Inversneckian goes into his Morrisons, Asda, Tesco's or Sainsbury's, all of which have a large newsagentsy aisle, all he can find is about a dozen different carp magazines - and there is not much public carp fishing around Inverness.

It's no different hereabouts. I have 2 options if I want a copy of T&S. I can get my local corner shop to order it for me, or I can take out a subscription. Subscription is the easy option, really - drops through the letterbox about a week before it appears in the shops (the ones that do stock it).

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I agree with tangled on this, we are a small specialised interest group and how many actually buy the magazines anymore. I haven't bought one for years(I glance through them in WH Smiths if I have my reading glasses with me) as they don't contain much that is of interest to me. I've learned more on this forum in the last six months than I ever did from years of reading magazines.
Fishing 'Rag's' in the US.

Problem we have here is, although you can easily find many on display, the articles are just repeats of repeats, of repeats, of .... And most of these will be one, the odd off two, pages with a full page photo of the writer dragging in some fish.

I have several issues (one of the most popular here in the PNW) and you can't tell the old issue (1993 ... I kid you not) from the latest issue. Why buy what you've already got in the bathroom? Perhaps a bit more interesting, and I can follow the reasoning, is several are now 'on line' only aka 'E-zines.'

TV programing?

Same old - same old but 95% will be warm water fishing 'weather' it be salt or fresh. Again, why bother to tune in?

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Well ok.

I got Trout and Salmon last month, i have no idea who Bruce is and I saw but didn't read the 'case for the defence' because we all know that there isn't one. I don't read fishing magazines for politics. But I will now read both.

But why, if this is an English bias as you seem to imply, isn't there a Scottish magazine putting the matter straight?
No English Bias there , are you living in a cocoon some where? and you have n't read trout lochs of Scotland , by Bruce Sandison? Wow! easker1
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