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Old 11-01-2017, 06:39 PM
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Whats the odds of it being a 50lb fin clipped Rawner or Baggot
Lets not go there......

On a more positive note, I very much doubt there is another river in Britain, that can compete with the average weight of a Wye spring fish. If a UK river was to produce one of these specimens, my money would be on the Wye.

Roll on March 3rd!
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The Wye or the Hants Avon
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Using these figures its fairly clear to just about anyone that the SNR exercise having produced a gross return of 373 to 410 adults to date, has by this measure resulted in a net gain to the river in the range of 292 to 329 adult fish.
Peter,
This raises more questions than it answers.

The 81fish are entirely nominal taken from the estimates in a 22 year old study.

Meanwhile back in the real world the 100,000 plus eggs used in SNR were taken from a selection produced over 4 years by 35 breeding pairs each year. The fact that eggs from this broodstock were used for other purposes too is neither here nor there. Hatchery managent protocols require selection from the whole broodstock product in order to ensure as wide a gene pool as possible. So that is 280 spawning adults taken out of the wild to support SNR.

Your figure of 17 broodstock is purely nominal. You still haven't accepted that the realistic figure is much higher. It's back to the drawing board for you and your co-author I'm afraid.

P.'s. You are aware you're saying the results you quote are for the whole of the project to date not just 2016? Time to get your story straight.

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Lets not go there......

On a more positive note, I very much doubt there is another river in Britain, that can compete with the average weight of a Wye spring fish. If a UK river was to produce one of these specimens, my money would be on the Wye.

Roll on March 3rd!
Do you know what, many of the best Wye anglers although still happy to fish are now so damned old, the last thing they want is the stress of trying to land a fresh portmanteau? 12 to 14 will still pound the old ticker just as well.
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The 81fish are entirely nominal taken from the estimates in a 22 year old study.
Yes I know thats what I have been trying to tell you, but its taken awhile to sink in.

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100,000 plus eggs used in SNR were taken from a selection produced over 4 years by 35 breeding pairs each year.
really and who has told you that? is it in the report? Have you made it up like the 81? Of course the 6950 parr used in total in 2012 & 2013 were part of a relatively much bigger stocking effort. This was also the case in 2014 & 2015 but a relatively larger percentage were used in SNR. It is possible to work out the contribution made by the stocking effort in total of which SNR was a small portion. This has been done on page 8. Its all in the report Tom
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Seeing as we've been on a betting kick I agree that the Wye or the Hampshire Avon would get the shortest odds.

Barby's right though, if I hooked a big fish I'd be frightened it would pull my wheelchair in.
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Seeing as we've been on a betting kick I agree that the Wye or the Hampshire Avon would get the shortest odds.

Barby's right though, if I hooked a big fish I'd be frightened it would pull my wheelchair in.
Its not the fish pulling you in should be worried about ....
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The SNR exercise having produced a gross return of 373 to 410 adults to date, has by this measure resulted in a net gain to the river in the range of 292 to 329 adult fish.
So the 292 to 329 claim is for the SNR project 'to date' not just for 2016?

A simple yes or no will do.
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Do you know what, many of the best Wye anglers although still happy to fish are now so damned old, the last thing they want is the stress of trying to land a fresh portmanteau? 12 to 14 will still pound the old ticker just as well.
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Fair enough Ian. Maybe Derek will lend you his wheelchair if you ask nicely!

Did you have many encounters in the past with these 'portmanteau' Salmon?

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Barby's right though, if I hooked a big fish I'd be frightened it would pull my wheelchair in.
There's worse ways to go!

I'll fish you out down river.... Now that would be a Portmanteau!


Its no wonder the catches plummeted with all you old boapers on the river!

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Default Re: Wye Discussion 2017 - Catch predictions for 2017

The river Wye is clearly improving, which is terrific, however, the catch returns show a very marked 4 year cycle. 2016 was a "peak" year and the next one will be (if the current trend continues) Year 2020. In the meantime the stats suggest that the catch will dip down to 700 or so in 2018.

If the current trend continues, this is what the catch stats predict:

2017: 1,000
2018: 700
2019: 1,600
2020: 2,000

2016 followed the predicted trend perfectly - now will 2017?

This is what the catch results show in graph form:

Click the image to open in full size.


(On the other hand , what was it that Disraeli said?, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.")

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