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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by barby View Post
    I think every aspect of the salmon's lifestyle has always been reliant on the strange ways climatic conditions affect the fish in the river. For example, the unusually dry 2016/17 winter surprisingly seems to have resulted in almost no Kelt captures. On the other hand, the constantly high river levels of 2011/12, saw plenty of Kelt sightings and captures. How strange.

    I would say the present low, clear, and cool river conditions have simply allowed an observant gillie to see what amounts to regular smolt shoaling near the tide in late April.

    Quite how the visible activities of these little fish can apparently predict impending drought, I for one have no idea. I do hope not a NK timely excuse for the lack of returning adults so far, or in the future.
    Ian
    Have to disagree Ian. 2011 had low water spring and summer, which lingered into the spring of 2012 ....so much so that I recall appearing on local TV to discuss the possibility of a drought order in late April! Luckily it started to rain towards the end of April that year and continued on into 2013.

    Re kelts: I remember that a lot of kelts were caught in 2012 in early March but the majority had drifted off by the the third week. This year there was no fishing in the first few weeks to make a fair comparison. Also different was how far upriver the majority of fish had penetrated. There was a lot more spawning relatively lower down and ample opportunity to die or escape before the season started. There were about a dozen in Gromain's Leaning Willow but were gone before mid January though the grayling fishers did catch a couple in January from the Rectory.

    How can seeing smolts in April suggest a drought? if its low enough to see them then a drought is almost with us!

    NK

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by New Kid View Post
    Have to disagree Ian. 2011 had low water spring and summer, which lingered into the spring of 2012 ....so much so that I recall appearing on local TV to discuss the possibility of a drought order in late April! Luckily it started to rain towards the end of April that year and continued on into 2013.

    Re kelts: I remember that a lot of kelts were caught in 2012 in early March but the majority had drifted off by the third week. This year there was no fishing in the first few weeks to make a fair comparison. Also different was how far upriver the majority of fish had penetrated. There was a lot more spawning relatively lower down and ample opportunity to die or escape before the season started. There were about a dozen in Gromain's Leaning Willow but were gone before mid January though the grayling fishers did catch a couple in January from the Rectory.

    How can seeing smolts in April suggest a drought? if its low enough to see them then a drought is almost with us!

    NK
    Although you disagree I don’t intend to make too many issues out of this. I was however out there observing and can tell you as an example, salmon ran the river Elan in 2016 on its lowest controlled level.
    As you know hen salmon dig the nest, lay the eggs, and finally attempt to bury those not intended to enter the food chain. Once the female goal is achieved they immediately turn around and head off back towards the sea. This seasons hens in their attempt to escape the river were deprived the luxury of high river levels, from November to mid-Feb.
    Anyway, I don’t think anyone can dispute there were more Kelts captures reported in 2012 than so far in 2017. That’s what I find strange. Is it because those hens swim in a downstream direction, rather than wash out backward. Does lower water levels actually enhance their escape more so than high river levels?
    I caught my first little Wye trout on a 3 tandem fly rig 1961. Unfortunately, when I took several home to show off to my dad, he went berserk. They had like fingerprints on their side, and bright red spots, ‘pinkies’ . We lads didn’t need to see them, we caught hundreds of par and smolt (although we never knew a difference existed) throughout each entire year. In fact, during the coldest winter conditions, the salmon parr were often the only Wye fish many an angler could catch.
    So catching, or seeing young salmon, never ever predicted an oncoming drought to us. I say it won’t this year. The rains will surely come shortly, and you anglers will be catching lots of great Wye salmon, so get out there and keep trying.
    Ian

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Well I am sorry to keep on, but with no posts since mine last evening May I Just elaborate further. I mentioned in a previous post, there was more water to take the kelts out during 2011/12 than 2016/17. NK said otherwise, well read the following.
    Wye and Usk Foundation Update
    Tuesday 20 December, 2011
    “The great talking point here is that the celebrated log has gone! Sitting opposite the Heirag at Gromain for the best part of 10 months, it must have felt secure and at home..... then it just slipped anchor and overnight left us with no ceremony, no goodbyes. That’s what 7’ of flood water does and clearly most of our catchment is more than just rehydrated.

    For the time being, this has brought fishing to a complete standstill and may be so until the floods abate. So we take this opportunity to wish you all the best of Christmas and New Year’s holiday and thank you for supporting the Foundation in so many different ways over the past year”

    As I said, during the kelt’s migration period, floods like mentioned above never occurred from Nov to mid Feb 2016/17.
    NK also said this:-

    Wye and Usk Foundation Update
    Thursday 19 April, 2012
    "Having been asked to appear on both morning radio and in the BBC TV evening news to talk about the drought, it was inevitable that copious rain would follow shortly. In fact it came that night. It now appears that rain will be with us until the end of the month. Both rivers went a horrible colour: Usk red and Wye grey – there isn’t much ground water to dilute several months’ worth of rubbish, silt and algae and nor was the peak quite as high as the amount of rain suggested. However, the Usk clears quite quickly and it should be possible to get fishing before the next band of rain arrives. Not so on the Wye which might rise again before reaching good fishing conditions."

    Perhaps the best outcome for 2017 might be the same drought prediction as given by NK in 2012. Because in actual fact that year saw more rain than I can almost remember. The Wye salmon catch reached its highest for the previous 16 years.
    All I ask is for the truth, my god it's so hard to get it on this thread.
    Ian

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Has the Severn Barrage been built and we havn't been told?

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    if you start looking for the truth Barby it won't be long before you're considered a trouble maker.

    Has the barrage been built? I don't know but think of the potential grant money for putting in the fish passes.

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by washington View Post
    Has the barrage been built? I don't know but think of the potential grant money for putting in the fish passes.
    If you hear of any jobs going, let me know! I cant face another blank!

    At this rate, all this casting practice, Spey-0-Rama might have a few new entrants next year!

    Cumon fish!....play the game!

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    You must have had yet another bad time at Cheltenham if you're actually looking for a job Ross.

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    Things are not quite that desperate yet Derek!

    A few have come out today I see, some described as 'silver' on the WUF catch report. Any idea if they were fresh of the tide or stragglers from the last run?

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Sorry Ross. No idea.

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by rossjames View Post
    Things are not quite that desperate yet Derek!

    A few have come out today I see, some described as 'silver' on the WUF catch report. Any idea if they were fresh of the tide or stragglers from the last run?
    The Wyesham fish were almost certainly fresh in being only about an hour or two's run off the top of the tide.

    I wouldn't doubt that most of the rest were also reasonably fresh being below Hereford and well within a couple of day's travel. On good water you can get sea liced fish at least as far upstream as Hay there being nothing much in terms of a barrier on the journey.

    Whether there has been enough water to encourage fish to run can only be answered by those on the ground. A lack of water tends to hold fish below Monmouth but, apart from Wyesham, most have come further upstream suggesting decent running levels.
    “There is no more lovely country than Monmouthshire in early spring. Nowhere do the larks sing quite so passionately, as if somehow inspired by the Welsh themselves. There is a blackbird on every thorn and a cock chaffinch, a twink as they call him there, on every bush...... It moved me profoundly. I had been spared to see another spring, and I thank God for it.”

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