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  1. #781

    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by geoffmaynard View Post
    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
    How does it look over say 50 or 100 years though?

    Congratulations to everyone who managed to catch from the Wye this season!
    Thank you GM.

    I managed a fish on my last outing of the season on what I consider to be lower/middle river.

    In fairness, I, ve had several wash offs, lost several days during the algal blooms and tried many days when water temperature exceeded air temp by considerable levels.When some beats suspended fishing on their water, unfortunately very much in the minority.

    I've not booked during July/august because of the canoe/anything that floats flotillas which make fishing (fly) impossible.

    For this sport I have bought a "rod licence" and paid £50 a day for the "privilege"

    I expect I'll be back again next year, if able, because I love the whole experience and am fortunate in being able to take a trip north of the border once or twice a year.

    I compare prices/value for the facilities and ease of movement I find and I am finding it difficult to be optimistic for the future of the Wye as a salmon fishery throughout its length.

    Morse
    Last edited by morse; 21-10-2017 at 08:19 AM. Reason: clarity

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by cb View Post
    I don't think I had seen that graph before, and am struck not only by how clear, but also how persistent, the four year cycle is.

    Although the Wye's spring catch is much less strong than it once was, it's still a long way from being a grilse river. As such, one would expect a considerable proportion of its fish to have a 5 year cycle (i.e. 2 river winters followed by 2 sea winters). Or are most of the 2SW fish coming from fish that smolt after just one river winter? That would represent a dramatic change from Hutton's 1941 "Divided Migration" chart, which showed less than 5% of Wye fish being from 1 RW smolts. And even so, one would surely expect that the spread of life cycles (as shown in the Divided Migration chart) would be enough to break down the four year pattern over four generations of fish.

    Or is the four year cycle not related to spawning, but some other external factor? If so, what might that be?

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by morse View Post
    Thank you GM.

    I managed a fish on my last outing of the season on what I consider to be lower/middle river.

    In fairness, I, ve had several wash offs, lost several days during the algal blooms and tried many days when water temperature exceeded air temp by considerable levels.When some beats suspended fishing on their water, unfortunately very much in the minority.

    I've not booked during July/august because of the canoe/anything that floats flotillas which make fishing (fly) impossible.

    For this sport I have bought a "rod licence" and paid £50 a day for the "privilege"

    I expect I'll be back again next year, if able, because I love the whole experience and am fortunate in being able to take a trip north of the border once or twice a year.

    I compare prices/value for the facilities and ease of movement I find and I am finding it difficult to be optimistic for the future of the Wye as a salmon fishery throughout its length.

    Morse
    Interestingly I am a member of a club that fishes seven beats of the Welsh Dee from about 10 miles above the tide at Bangor-on-Dee to above Corwen. The Dee used to be very like the Wye in terms of its runs, albeit unlike the Wye it always had a decent grilse run, however it is currently not really a spring river with just a few fish in March or April and the first real influx of fish in May or June. Recent years have seen a rise in the proportion of MSW fish, mostly 2SW with a few 3SW and declining numbers of grilse.

    This season has been the club's best for Dee salmon for 13 years and one of the beats would have been beaten by only six Wye beats this season, another only three places lower. For this our members currently pay £265 per season, have unlimited days (within beat rod limits) and that includes access to more beats on four other salmon and sea trout rivers in the area plus stillwaters. Added to which most of the Dee does not have a canoe problem....yet! That makes £50 a day for a day ticket on the Wye seem quite expensive in terms of £s per fish!
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    “There is no more lovely country than Monmouthshire in early spring. Nowhere do the larks sing quite so passionately, as if somehow inspired by the Welsh themselves. There is a blackbird on every thorn and a cock chaffinch, a twink as they call him there, on every bush...... It moved me profoundly. I had been spared to see another spring, and I thank God for it.”

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    I took the following pics a few days ago at the Pant Mawr falls over 125 miles up the river Wye. After some 40 years of observing, I still find it amazing, as to how a salmon can leap so high and swim so strongly through powerful, turbulent cascades. The first pic might highlight exactly where that driving power is stored. Look how far it can bend its tail in any direction.





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    This probably 3sw chap jumped several times but without ascending the lower fall.



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    I would estimate this big fellow at about the 20 mark.


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    What a privilege to stand on the banks of the Wye and watch this magnificent creature attempting to do, what it instinctively knows it can. Surpass a 6ft waterfall that dares to stand in its precious way.


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    Of course, not all Wye salmon manage their leaping to the best effect on the day. Some choose the wrong leaping sites; leap in the wrong direction, and so often land in the wrong place facing the wrong way. Despite their continued failures, they keep on trying. The next pics really show how not to do it.










    More a case of leaping in the wrong direction, and landing in shallow water below the lip of the fall.


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    Spectacular body rhythms, great to watch, but going nowhere fast.



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    I think she knows she’s made a spectacular mess of it. However, gravity will soon take over.


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    Never mind, time to begin again.
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    Depending on water levels, there are usually different worthwhile routes the salmon can use to surpass a waterfall. On the wrong river level, however, some routes can lead to a dangerous nowhere land. I think this young ladies embarrassment from wandering aimlessly up a cul-de-sac, is fairly clear to see.



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    Although left high and dry, this silly girl survived for over a minute before falling back into the safety of the river.


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    When shooting video, I use a system of passing my hand in front of the lens to indicate the end of non-productive footage. At editing, the sight of a passing hand means, that footage is safe to delete. This cunning fellow waited until I declared this particular footage as empty of fish, and worthy of that rejecting hand signal. Perhaps not the most spectacular leap of the day, but the follow-through certainly was. As I watched in amazement, he thrashed his great shovel tail from side to side, topped the smooth fall and headed on towards Plynlimon, 2,468ft (752M) above sea level. I was gutted, my turn to get it all wrong by a split second.











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  5. #785

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    Re Ians pics,

    Thank you Ian.

    Inspiring and reassuring

    I am well aware of the problems on the Wye over the past season (to my cost),
    Got to wish them well and prepare for the privilege of meeting more than one next year.

    Morse

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Ian , superb shots thanks!
    Andy Wren
    Still fishing but slowly!

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Was there a WSA annual meeting this year? If anyone went I’d be interested to know any info.

    Did any tagged fish get caught this year?

    Cheers
    Last edited by dee monkey; 05-12-2017 at 03:32 PM.

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    Default Re: The (new) River Wye 2017 thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by dee monkey View Post
    Was there a WSA annual meeting this year? If anyone went I’d be interested to know any info.

    Did any tagged fish get caught this year?

    Cheers
    Just spoken to a mate and he told me none we caught this year so there was no need for a meeting. There was talk of trying to start the hatchery up again but I take it that’s all finished now after the experiment?

    Have many spawning fish been seen? The pictures above are brilliant! I love seeing these amazing fish at spawning time.

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    Have many spawning fish been seen?
    there were a few at Llanwrthwl a few weeks ago but i've seen nothing since the high water last month.

    ps. i thought you were banned commando???

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    Quote Originally Posted by brickbatt View Post
    there were a few at Llanwrthwl a few weeks ago but i've seen nothing since the high water last month.

    ps. i thought you were banned commando???
    I think you’re getting confused.

    Since the cr4p stopped on this thread it’s made for decent reading when people have posted and I just wanted some confirmation on some matters.

    Shouldn’t have bothered obviously.

    I’ll go back to observing from a distance I think

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