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    Oh what a tangled web..........

    Morse

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    Quote Originally Posted by brickbatt View Post
    so who was fishing out of season in the 1950s, also as Ian noted???
    All very strange brickbatt. My catch records for Sep, and Oct, 1950 and 51 show zero returns, I wonder why?. From 1952 to 1959 the October catch averages a colossal 340. From then until 1981 the annual catch drops below 100. I think October fishing in the 60s and 70s was permitted above Llanwrthwl Bridge and up river tributaries only, perhaps explaining the lower 60s and 70s catch but not the three times higher 1950s returns. Just how they managed to catch over 500 in the seasons last part month, and from only the upper river and tribs, beats me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barby View Post
    All very strange brickbatt. My catch records for Sep, and Oct, 1950 and 51 show zero returns, I wonder why?. From 1952 to 1959 the October catch averages a colossal 340. From then until 1981 the annual catch drops below 100. I think October fishing in the 60s and 70s was permitted above Llanwrthwl Bridge and up river tributaries only, perhaps explaining the lower 60s and 70s catch but not the three times higher 1950s returns. Just how they managed to catch over 500 in the seasons last part month, and from only the upper river and tribs, beats me.
    Ian
    Ian

    Hutton mentioned a finish of 25th October for the whole river at one time which was later changed to 30th September for beats below Llanwrthwl bridge and tribs (such as Irfon) I cant find the date on which this happened but may be accounted for in your figures

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    Radio Tagging on the Wye---------Chapter Two.

    It was New Kid who gave me the clue in an earlier post when the phrase "the NRA or who ever was in charge at the time" crept in. NRA ! Well they packed up in 1996 could this be why I didn't remember any radio tagging? Sure enough I've found it. Or it least I can't find anything else. Radio tagging is one of I think 8 proposals for rectifying the demise of MSW fish in a paper published in 1992 {that's only 26 years ago}. In passing you will all be pleased to know that the paucity of 3 and 4SW fish is blamed on the over exploitation of the rods at that time!

    As far as radio tagging was concerned it was proposed that for four years{or possibly 1 year in preparation followed by 3 years } 30 fish a year would be caught and tagged and traced either by a number of automatic listening stations along the bank at the cost of 14,000 or 10 plane flights along the river with receivers on board at the cost of 10,000. The purpose of this exercise was merely to track the whereabouts of the tagged fish. No where can I find any reference to how this info could be used to establish the percentage of surviving fish of each although it does say that perhaps it could. There is no mention that I can find which stipulates the capture of three distinct types of fish , spring ,summer ,winter. Although, because this paper is primarily about 3/4SW fish there is a suggestion that the idea would be to catch early season MSW fish, take scales and if possible establish genetic credentials and then because they have been tagged their whereabouts will be known and they can then be caught again as spawning approaches {I know, bizaare innit} taken to the hatchery and bred with other MSW fish because it was felt that if left to spawn in the wild they could well couple with grilse and the MSW gene. Interesting ly it was recommended that the ensuing smolts should be fin-clipped and it acknowledged that October catch up was frequently the cause of many deaths.

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    Radio Tagging on the Wye---------Chapter Two.

    It was New Kid who gave me the clue in an earlier post when the phrase "the NRA or who ever was in charge at the time" crept in. NRA ! Well they packed up in 1996 could this be why I didn't remember any radio tagging? Sure enough I've found it. Or it least I can't find anything else. Radio tagging is one of I think 8 proposals for rectifying the demise of MSW fish in a paper published in 1992 {that's only 26 years ago}. In passing you will all be pleased to know that the paucity of 3 and 4SW fish is blamed on the over exploitation of the rods at that time!

    As far as radio tagging was concerned it was proposed that for four years{or possibly 1 year in preparation followed by 3 years } 30 fish a year would be caught and tagged and traced either by a number of automatic listening stations along the bank at the cost of 14,000 or 10 plane flights along the river with receivers on board at the cost of 10,000. The purpose of this exercise was merely to track the whereabouts of the tagged fish. No where can I find any reference to how this info could be used to establish the percentage of surviving fish of each although it does say that perhaps it could. There is no mention that I can find which stipulates the capture of three distinct types of fish , spring ,summer ,winter. Although, because this paper is primarily about 3/4SW fish there is a suggestion that the idea would be to catch early season MSW fish, take scales and if possible establish genetic credentials and then because they have been tagged their whereabouts will be known and they can then be caught again as spawning approaches {I know, bizaare innit} taken to the hatchery and bred with other MSW fish because it was felt that if left to spawn in the wild they could well couple with grilse and the MSW gene would be lost. Interestingly it was recommended that the ensuing smolts should be fin-clipped and it acknowledged that October catch up was frequently the cause of many deaths.

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    I will be glad when the season starts

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    "Radio tagging on the Wye-------------chapter two"



    Ian
    Last edited by barby; 13-02-2018 at 08:02 PM.

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    Another snippet worthy of note from the NRA paper of 1992, ,especially as there are those now pushing for a January start, is that in order to protect early running 3/4SW fish which it was thought were more prone to capture in the first 60 days of entering fresh water the NRA recommended that no fishing should take place until May 1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steved77 View Post
    I will be glad when the season starts
    Agreed!

    Meanwhile, I see that Nigel Mott has had his case against the EA upheld in the Supreme Court. However, I don't think this means we'll see a resumption of his putcher fishing; merely that he's in line for a compensation payout for a breach of his human rights.

    Supreme Court is fisherman's friend in human rights row | News | Law Society Gazette

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    Didn’t Mott get paid off to stop fishing , NK you will be able to tell us if he did or not , amazing that the EA are doing all this work to help the salmon but let sea birds pillage the inland rivers

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