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    Quote Originally Posted by washington View Post
    Another snippet worthy of note from the NRA paper of 1992, ,especially as there are those now pushing for a January start, is that in order to protect early running 3/4SW fish which it was thought were more prone to capture in the first 60 days of entering fresh water the NRA recommended that no fishing should take place until May 1st.
    That was in the days of catch and kill!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steved77 View Post
    Didn’t Mott get paid off to stop fishing , NK you will be able to tell us if he did or not , amazing that the EA are doing all this work to help the salmon but let sea birds pillage the inland rivers
    I believe he was paid compensation for several years up to 2011, but in 2012 the EA capped his catch at 30 fish, without compensation.

    One point that annoys me is the way that he plays the 'heritage' card. Look at this report just out from the Telegraph, with its accompanying image:

    Fisherman fighting to save ancient salmon-fishing method wins Supreme Court fight

    The truth is that the way that he operated the Lydney putcher rank was significantly different from the image that this conjures up. His baskets weren't woven from willow, but were stainless steel, and importantly they weren't conical, but square in section. That of course means that when installed in the rank there were no gaps between them, so they fished much more effectively. The rank, too, was rather more modern, being made of steel rather than the wooden ones of old, and extended much further into the channel than previously (I believe he also changed its location to increase its effectiveness).

    It's a bit like the way the West Wales coracle fishers claim that they are a little piece of heritage, yet are quite happy to fish with nets made of monofil. If they want to use that defence they should at least fish in an authentic manner. In both case this is far from true.

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    Working in the area as I do I can only describe the man as colourful in his ways

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    He was always going to win on the issue of compensation.

    Most interesting thing is the attitude of the EA spokesperson. Their statement tells us a lot about the bureaucratic mindset. Apparently they are going to accept the ruling of the Supreme Court - well that’s big of them.

    Oh, and according to the EA, salmon stocks are at an all time low, which is not what their own analysis says about the Wye and Severn.

    Given the history I wouldn’t bet on the EA making a reasonable offer and it could all end up back in court.
    Last edited by Tom Rigby; 15-02-2018 at 07:39 AM.

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    Did I read somewhere that he owns Lower Symonds Yat fishery ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenet View Post
    Did I read somewhere that he owns Lower Symonds Yat fishery ?

    I am pretty sure he didn't own Lower Symonds Yat. Nigel did own the Birch Grove beat at Home Lacy, the Sellac, or Sellac Boat stretch below Hoarwithy. and I think the Wyestone beat above Monmouth. To be fair to the man he did some good work improving his beats, introduced hundreds of tonnes of stone, cleared and deepened weeded channels, and opened up a bit more fishing at reasonable costs. A very hard working man who happened to dealt in wild salmon, so upset quite a few anglers in the process.
    Ian

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    Well radio tagging...

    Here (river Allier) fishing is now closed for 24 year. Nevertheless there are still a few salmon which are really focused on by scientists.

    Radio tagging of potential spawners caught in traps at fish pass showed:
    - where are the most difficult obstacles to pass;
    - where the fish rest during hot season;
    - how many survive until spawning;
    - ... and pitifully that about 10% of fish "leave the river".

    But for sure, it does not bring any solution despite everybody knows what are the main issues (same as everywhere: habitat quality).
    Last edited by raphael; 15-02-2018 at 10:33 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenet View Post
    Did I read somewhere that he owns Lower Symonds Yat fishery ?
    Rummaging in the depths of my memory, I seem to remember that he bought some water at Symond's Yat, and subsequently sold the rapids that formed part of it to the BCU for their canoeing activities. Word was that he got almost as much money back for that bit (which had little value from a fishing perspective) as he originally paid for the whole lot.

    I also have a feeling that 'Cranefly' had a finger somewhere in that pie - perhaps he will enlighten?

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    I remember Norman Owen telling me he worked for a Mott at Symonds Yat

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    Here is some interesting info on the sale of the fishery, might jog a memory or two. I found this in Harris & Stokes brochure dated 1990.

    Lower Symonds Yat; “This well known fishery is coming to the market for sale and we are seeking offers in excess of £525,000 (plus V.A.T.). It is double bank for its entire two-and-a-half mile length and contains one of the best holding pools on the whole of the river Wye where it has been estimated that as many as 200 salmon have been holding at one single time. Five year average (1986-1990) is 100 fish with 159 caught in 1989".
    Ian

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