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    Default Re: International Year of the Salmon

    If you are going to reference the deceased Linlithgow/West Lothian M.P., you could at least get his name, and titles correct. (the spelling used by him.)

    Sir Thomas "Tam" Dalyell of the Binns, 11th Baronet.

    If people like you, and I, do not get involved, and give viewpoints, and that includes the placement of sea cages, then yes, you are right, is a waste of time.
    However, if we do get involved, as all interested parties in the survival of wild salmon should, then perhaps we might actually achieve something.
    It is, after all why "the year of" whatever, exists.
    To draw attention to the plight of "the whatever."
    Of course, you can always stay a naysayer, or should that be ostrich.
    regards
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    Default Re: International Year of the Salmon

    OK, but where do you get the idea that I am a naysayer?or even an Ostrich, I have stated my interest in as much as I have been to various meetings about the demise of migratory fish in and on the west coast , and my belief that the main cause is salmon farming,sorry about the Tam Dalyell thing, I hope I didn't offend you too much?but where were you when I was at these meetings? I can recall 6 major meetings I have attended, with many government worthies, and Marine lab. guys, I have been going to these meetings since 1987,mainly in the highlands, so please don't tell me I have no interest in this,although I am not a salmon fisher, I do get the occasional shot at seatrout, so I am interested, I only wish the Scottish Gov. had the same amount of interest, easker1

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    Default Re: International Year of the Salmon

    No, you did not offend me at all, by referencing my former Labour M.P.
    A man I knew well, and respected his views.
    I actually found it churlish, a bit like you were trying to score points given my locus.
    Indeed, given your reference to him again, I still think same.
    As others on here may, or may not tell you, I was at meetings too, but being a lowlander, never further north than Battleby, and no further south than The Barony, with the odd visit to Horse Wynd.....
    The idea about you being a naysayer is pretty evident for all to see, given your continued rebuttal, and negative criticism of any initiative, or proposal by the current Scottish Government regarding the plight of our salmon.
    No one argues that salmon farming has an impact on our wild stocks, it (farming) is only one of many, and will certainly not be going away any time soon.
    As to the comment about Scottish Government interest, was it not Environment Secretary Roseanna Cunningham whom announced the Year of the Salmon in conjuction with NASCO, and indeed was it not Rural Economy Secretary Fergus Ewing, whom in June this year announced a new Salmon Interactions Workstream, of which one remit will be to provide advice on mitigating the impact of aquaculture on our wild salmon populations.
    Seems like they have a healthy interest, given the associated costs of these initiatives.
    But hey, I suppose the sneeps wont be able to please all the people all of the time, eh?
    regards
    bert
    Last edited by aenoon; 06-11-2018 at 11:02 PM.

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    Default Re: International Year of the Salmon

    MMM! so that's what a Naysayer is? some one who has an opposite opinion to yours? I did meet your Tam and found him to be a personable character, so again , I apologise if I have caused offence with my off hand Remarks . It must be nice to have a direct line to the Government , I know who the people are but I haven't seen any of the initiatives that you talk about,I knew Fergus Ewings Mum quite well having met her a few times, a decent woman, even if we didn't see eye to eye on politics. West is west and east is east and it certainly looks as though the Twain shall certainly not meet.
    Cheers easker1

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    Default Re: International Year of the Salmon

    So you have not seen any of the iniatives, but you still deride them?

    naysayer
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    Hmmmm.

    Enough.

    regards
    bert

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    Default Re: International Year of the Salmon

    Even the most rabid sneep can only be embarrassed by the latest attempt by the SG/SEPA to protect the aquaculture industry. New tighter rules (but only for new farms). So a green light for expansion with a little bit of window dressing. I wonder how long after the "year of the salmon" the "year of the last salmon" will be?

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    Default Re: International Year of the Salmon

    Quote Originally Posted by aenoon View Post
    So you have not seen any of the iniatives, but you still deride them?

    naysayer
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    noun

    a person who habitually expresses negative or pessimistic views:




    Hmmmm.

    Enough.

    regards
    bert
    my derision was for an initiative 30 years too late,some of these scientists do not know the history of the problem, I have been called a Naysayer before but that was before I was proved right, as a pessimist I am never disappointed,I worked in the industry for 5 years, and have worked as a gillie, watching the guests stop returning because of the decline in stocks, no one listened to us (The Gillies) but in the long run we were right, I got into salmon farming because I was gulled by the hype that the industry would be the saviour of the wild fish? we were also led to believe that the fisheries trusts would fight the industry, but our local trust relies heavily on donations from the industry, with industry representation on the board, so colour me cynical as well so whatever next? politicians telling the truth?
    sorry Bert I did get my knees brown
    easker1

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