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    Default Re: Atlantic Salmon Spawning In Tidal Water?

    Quote Originally Posted by codyarrow View Post
    Washed down river by last weeks torrent? I was actually imagining the Halladale when you described this - a few gravelly bits down the bottom end at least just before the sea.
    I don't think so, the torrent wasn't that torrential.
    I too was thinking the Halladale or the Borgie might be another place this could happen.



    Quote Originally Posted by aenoon View Post
    The very fact that it is a dozen or so good fish, suggests that this is normal behaviour for those fish, and indeed will be for their offspring.
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    I think that may well be the case. I've only been here since the spring but back then I thought it looked like a redd in the same place as they are spawning today. I just discounted it at the time because of where it was, put it down to being a natural scour hole, but now I think it probably was. There are certainly a lot of parr about on the lower river right down to the tide.


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    Default Re: Atlantic Salmon Spawning In Tidal Water?

    Quote Originally Posted by bobmiddlepoint View Post





    Would that be the Esk?
    It was something I never saw in the south (Devon/Cornwall/Somerset/Dorset) but then the rivers didn't generally have good spawning conditions (gravel/water quality & possibly temperature) right down in the tidal reaches.


    Andy
    Yes mostly on the Esk, but more recentyly on another Yorkshire river also.
    The ones on the Esk were usually very silver fish.

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    Default Re: Atlantic Salmon Spawning In Tidal Water?

    How far down are we talking, the Private Water or the Association?
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    Default Re: Atlantic Salmon Spawning In Tidal Water?

    I Don't know about tidal spawning,But it has always been that spring fish tend to get to the top of the system.and later fish fill up the spaces further down,to very late running fish spawning just above the estuary.

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    Default Re: Atlantic Salmon Spawning In Tidal Water?

    Quote Originally Posted by williegunn View Post
    How far down are we talking, the Private Water or the Association?
    Association water, tail of Ally's Pool.
    It is the first bit of suitable gravel above the sandy part of the estuary and about 800yards below the NTL.


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    Default Re: Atlantic Salmon Spawning In Tidal Water?

    3 lb's logic marches with the following from our 'sister' blog Salmonfishing Forum 2013
    Originally Posted by eat the profit
    That is a myth,no salmon spawn in tidal water.

    How do you know this?
    30-12-2013, 02:17 PM
    reddie
    Salmon can spawn anywhere in a river system that is suitable, be it at the top or bottom. I know of salmon smolts one year that descended down a small stream which runs into the main river way down the estuary. No salmon spawn in estuaries any that did the spawn would be doomed.
    One of the main factors to consider in these projects is the priority and suitability. Are there other areas along the system which would benefit more from spawning enhancement work such as the tributaries? Redds being washed out are less frequent in streams than in the main river so I would suggest to have a look at the tributaries first of all.
    30-12-2013, 04:30 PM
    neilt
    No salmon spawning in tidal water?
    Depends on definition of tidal water.
    Tay has plenty redds in parts of lower river that are still affected by tidal influence i.e. high tide backs river up to above Perth. But believe this is the fresh water that's backed up and not brackish/salt so eggs and juveniles fine.
    Been redds cut here for many years.

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    Default Re: Atlantic Salmon Spawning In Tidal Water?

    Quote Originally Posted by bobmiddlepoint View Post
    Association water, tail of Ally's Pool.
    It is the first bit of suitable gravel above the sandy part of the estuary and about 800yards below the NTL.


    Andy
    Is also related to the actual states of tide though.
    Neap tides being the lowest state between high and low water, occuring now, with spring tides being the highest state between high and low water, not due to occur until February next year.
    The fish already know this!

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    Default Re: Atlantic Salmon Spawning In Tidal Water?

    I thought springs and neaps were in 2 week cycles or 2 per lunar month. Tide height tables are predictions effected by pressure - they have been known to be 1m out.

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    Default Re: Atlantic Salmon Spawning In Tidal Water?

    Quote Originally Posted by aenoon View Post
    Is also related to the actual states of tide though.
    Neap tides being the lowest state between high and low water, occuring now, with spring tides being the highest state between high and low water, not due to occur until February next year.
    The fish already know this!

    regards
    Bert
    It is true that the heights of spring tides vary but almost all sets of spring tides will cover this spot for a day or two and the bigger ones will cover it for a week. As I said the amount of salt reaching here will depend on the freshwater flow but there will be tidal influence here from this Sunday for at least five days on the coming set of springs.


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    Default Re: Atlantic Salmon Spawning In Tidal Water?

    Quote Originally Posted by codyarrow View Post
    I thought springs and neaps were in 2 week cycles or 2 per lunar month. Tide height tables are predictions effected by pressure - they have been known to be 1m out.
    sorry, should have added the words highest to spring tides, and lowest to neap.
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