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    Default Re: What to ask a fishing guide about?

    Hi, Jeorge.
    In my experience we (UK gillies/guides) all do the job differently, learning our way client by client, year by year. Either we earn our salt or it doesn't work out. It's very personal in that respect. Guests differ vastly, too. Some want to be led by the hand, others just want a netsman.

    I think that makes a 'definitive list' very subjective and of those q's you posed the best order can depend on the company's set up:
    Are you tackling up next to your water and/or is there a drive/walk/flight/drift to reach it?
    After all, can one talk about 'Locations of Salmon' without standing by the pool in question? Sure, you can say, ''Cover the big stone 2/3rds down'', etc. but such advice is better saved until in situ. Similarly with 9. Fly presentation.

    The gillie knows what flies have recently worked or are appropriate to the day and first destination, so that initial fly choice can be made at the hut completing the tackling-up stage.
    I admit, I personally prefer to tackle up right by my guests' water rather than elsewhere. In those 5 minutes you may see fish move which, if setting up elsewhere, you would have missed. Also, I can see exactly how the river level is influencing the flow we are about to fish and then choose accordingly. However, there's no absolute right or wrong about it.

    In what ways do you see '7. Fishing techniques' and '8. Tactical methods of fishing and tackle' as different? '7' seems largely included in '8' to me.

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    Default Re: What to ask a fishing guide about?

    Quote Originally Posted by jeorge View Post
    In my opinion, the most important moment for Pacific salmon is the presentation of the fly, it must work at the very bottom.
    This is not so necessary for Atlantic salmon, but it is critical for Pacific fish.

    The funny thing is I am sure that taken over a season a fly (or spinner or bait) fished nearer the bottom will catch more Atlantic salmon than one near the top.
    I know there is a time for riffling and skating but the nearer (in depth) you can get the offering to the fish the greater the chance it will take. I've seen it time and again in small clear water where everything can be watched, flies and spinners fished near the surface get no response but as soon as you sink them to the fishes level they have to take notice. They also have less far to go to take them. I've had a few fish on nymphs that have totally ignored the fly until it was right on tract to hit them on the nose.

    For some reason this doesn't seem to apply to lochs where I've never had a sniff of a salmon on a sinker and flies in the top few inches work best (although I know some do well on an inter a foot or two down).


    Andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobmiddlepoint View Post
    The funny thing is I am sure that taken over a season a fly (or spinner or bait) fished nearer the bottom will catch more Atlantic salmon than one near the top.
    I know there is a time for riffling and skating but the nearer (in depth) you can get the offering to the fish the greater the chance it will take. I've seen it time and again in small clear water where everything can be watched, flies and spinners fished near the surface get no response but as soon as you sink them to the fishes level they have to take notice. They also have less far to go to take them. I've had a few fish on nymphs that have totally ignored the fly until it was right on tract to hit them on the nose.

    For some reason this doesn't seem to apply to lochs where I've never had a sniff of a salmon on a sinker and flies in the top few inches work best (although I know some do well on an inter a foot or two down).


    Andy
    That's a very interesting observation. I've very little experience of salmon in lochs, I've caught a scant handful, but I wonder if more effort with a sinker would yield results especially in hot flat weather on stale fish? A friend of mine once had 14 in a day from a Lough that hadn't yielded a fish for a month fishing a di7 and a minkie.

    In rivers I have to say it think you are absolutely right. I only fish a floater when I'm fishing on the surface with a sunray, hitch or beetle. I catch a lot of fish on a monkey on a sinker after a pool has been fished with more conventional tactics. In the 80's on the Exe we worked out counting down a mepps before retrieving caught way more fish, and I'm sure that's why the fc works so well.

    I do find it interesting that Arthur Wood caught so many more fish on a floater than his peers did on a sinker though. Was it just that he was a better angler and his catches were despite a floater rather than because of it?

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    Default Re: What to ask a fishing guide about?

    Quote Originally Posted by loxie View Post
    That's a very interesting observation. I've very little experience of salmon in lochs, I've caught a scant handful, but I wonder if more effort with a sinker would yield results especially in hot flat weather on stale fish? A friend of mine once had 14 in a day from a Lough that hadn't yielded a fish for a month fishing a di7 and a minkie.

    It probably has more to do with the lochs I fished, very shallow and very dark (black) peaty ones on Uist. I imagine if you could find the fish in deep clearer water it should work very well (14 in a day seems like working very well).


    Andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobmiddlepoint View Post
    It probably has more to do with the lochs I fished, very shallow and very dark (black) peaty ones on Uist. I imagine if you could find the fish in deep clearer water it should work very well (14 in a day seems like working very well).


    Andy
    That was in Ireland on ranched fish in a small clear Lough at Delphi, Finlough I presume.

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