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    Cool new to saltwater fly fishing for european sea bass!

    hello to all from Greece! i am new to fly fishing ( i am fishing with spinnign technique for 5 years) and i want to try to catch them with fly technique! noone is doing fly fishing in my country so i cant find information or gear at shops here! what rod weight and reel i need? a lot of gyus say i nned an 8wt for general purpose! i ll buy 1 type of line for start so which type should i choose? any rocomendations for rod and reel for starting gear? and some flies? i am completely new to the technique so i am trying toi gather information! thanks a lot!

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    Default Re: new to saltwater fly fishing for european sea bass!

    Welcome gooner!

    I'm glad you have decided to try bass fly fishing. I used to fish for bass with spinners and bait, but now I use flies 80% of the time, I hope you enjoy it as much as I do!

    I'd recommend doing some research and possibly ringing a good shop, such as Sportfish, before you order anything. It's best to talk through your requirements and tackle with someone who knows what they are doing, before buying anything.

    The first question, would be how do you catch sea bass on spinning gear:
    - How deep are the fish you catch?
    - What type and size lures to you use?
    - How windy are the places you fish?
    - How far away are the fish you catch? (if the answer is more than about 20-30m fly fishing will be very difficult)

    Learning to fly cast is difficult, but very rewarding when you can do it - once people have caught fish on a fly rod, most rarely use anything else! It is much easier if someone can teach you, I know there is some trout fly fishing in the Greek mountains, so there are some greeks who might be able to teach you. Teaching yourself is difficult, but possible. Books and videos by Lefty Kreh, Orvis and Rio (any many more) will help you. Just remember - practise practice practice and persistence!

    Another target would be Mullet, using bread or natural flies. They are much more difficult to catch than bass, but lots of fun with fly gear.

    As I said, don't buy fly gear until you know what you need, but I will give you a general idea of what you might buy:
    9ft 8wt is a standard rod size for sea bass. Fly rods are more expensive than spinning rods, but the cheapest will make it more difficult to learn fly fishing. Airflo Bluetooth is a very good beginner rod. More expensive brands such as Hardy and Sage are even better. Saltwater can be very damaging to fly reels, so the best saltwater reels (Shilton, Abel, Nautilus, etc.) are expensive but worth it if you use it often. The shop you buy from will find a decent reel to suit your rod. A standard fly line for sea bass would be floating or intermediate, but it might not be right for where you go fishing.

    If you decide to start fly fishing for sea bass, send me a private message and I could give you some of my favourite sea bass flies

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    Default Re: new to saltwater fly fishing for european sea bass!

    Hello louis and ty for the reply i have done a lot fo research but i am not sure what i want!

    to your questions
    -the area i fish for bass is between 30cm- 3meters deep but most bass i catch are at 1-1.5 meters!
    - with spinning they have a preference at topwater walk the dog especialy from 8-11 cm.they liked minnow too from 9-12cm mainly but at the peak of the season they were hitting 14cm minnow like crazy!
    -the places i fish are not so much windy because it is a small gulf!calm condition mainly and sometimes a bit of breeze and ripple but not too much!there are some days that we have a lot of wind ,waves and murky waters but it is very rare. but at this difficult days i have seen a lot more bass near shore with more aggresive behavior!
    - i hook up fish from 10-25 meters mainly but i dont know from how far they follow the lure!

    I am completely alone in saltwater fly fishing here in greece.none else is trying it!and the mountains gyus fishing for trout are at the very north end of the country far away from me!i have take some books for swff but its a bit different to read and see a picture and it is different to try to do it by yourself.

    I am not intrested in mullet i completely hate this fish the only reason it exists is to be eaten by bass

    they gear tha clikced in my eye are orvis clearwater rod,fenwick aetos and airlo bluetooth nano! airflo 8/9 is by far the cheapeast choice ( the american rods are more expoensive because of custom tax).from reels i like lamson liquid and reddington behemoth.airflo switch with 5 spools is a good cheap choice too! now from lines i think airflo is much cheaper than rio because it is from uk than from america.i liked the ridge striper and some guy told me about the airflo cold saltwater!

    i definelty ant to start fly fishing for bass so i am waiting for your response!

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    Default Re: new to saltwater fly fishing for european sea bass!

    The area you fish will be perfect for fly fishing!

    It will be difficult to learn fly casting by yourself but not impossible. Use the books, practise, watch videos, video yourself casting and post it on this forum for people to help you improve your technique. It will be worth it when the first bass rips the line out of your hand!

    Airflo bluetooth nano is probably the best saltwater rod of the ones you mentioned. Lamson make good reels, but mostly for freshwater, Reddington Bluetooth is a better saltwater reel. Don't get the Airflo switch, it is designed for UK reservoir fishing and won't cope well in salt water. Airflo ridge striper and cold salt water are both good standard lines, I used one for many years and caught lots of bass. One issue is that after using a ridge line for several days in a row, you get little cuts on your fingers from the ridges. But ridge lines do cast a bit better. Rio are expensive but they make the best lines in the world. If you catch most fish on the surface or down to 1.5m then a floating or intermediate line is the best choice. Floating lines are easier to cast. With a floating line, long leader and heavy fly you can go down to 1m - 1.5m

    You will also need backing on your reel, if you buy everything from a proper shop you can ask the shop to put backing and the line on the reel for you.

    You will also need sunglasses and a hat, to protect your eyes from casting accidents and to see the fish! Preferably polarising glasses, but not essential for saltwater fishing. Costa del Mar make the best glasses, but are expensive.

    Tapered leaders are good but 2 - 3m or longer of 15lb - 30lb monofilament of fluorocarbon line will be ok

    A stripping basket is very useful. You can buy one, or make it yourself quite easily

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    Default Re: new to saltwater fly fishing for european sea bass!

    What time of year are you targeting bass in greece? I have friends who fishm turkey with the fly and they say november to march is best when the sea cools down. Do you have anyone near you in greece that can teach you to flycast?
    I fish shallow estuaries and beaches in wales uk, most of my fishing is done in 1.5mtr or less, I find a floater will cover that depth really well ( >4.5ft ),
    Flies need not be heavy as bass will see them in such shallow water, slow pulls with a sinking fly to imitate a baitfish/prey species moving off the bottom does well as does a surface lure popped with a sharp retrieve. My bigger fish tend to come in low light and darkness in such shallow water and it would be interesting to see how you get on in your flyfishing venture. Please keep us all informed
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    Default Re: new to saltwater fly fishing for european sea bass!

    If you are regularly catching at a depth of 1 - 1.5m then you would be well suited to a line that will get you somewhere near that depth pretty quickly, something like a DI5 or maybe a DI7. Another bit of advice not to overlook is to wash all your gear with freshwater after every outing, saltwater does shorten the lifespan of all tackle.
    There's more to life than just fishing....but I ignore them.

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    Default Re: new to saltwater fly fishing for european sea bass!

    louis i just found a wonderfull offer from garry evans tackle shop!
    Airflo Bluetooth Nan-Tec #8/9 Rod MRP 119.99
    Airflo Saltwater Fly Line MRP 44.99 (Choose Cold Water or Tropical)
    Airflo Airtec Reel MRP 59.99
    175yd Spool of 30lb Backing MRP 8.99
    Dragon Saltwater Fly Selection MRP 7.99

    All this from all this from 241$ to just 169$! it the rod and the line you informed me about and i checked the reel it has a full sealed rag system so i think it can cope with salt!i just have a question.the rod is loading well with an 8 wt or 9wt line? i have a feeling that an 8wt is more suitable in the places i am fishing!i take most fish in the surface off the top in walk the dog lures especially this time of the season when the water is warmer especially during day time! in night i have more success in soft plastics and minnow type lures! can i fish streamers with a floating line? and can i fish topwater flies with an intermediate?i can decide what line to buy...leader and tippet is a bit confused in my mind at the moment and i am trying to figure it out! some say youll need tapered leaders some says just a straight piece of mono... and i will definatle need a striping basket!
    thats the offer Airflo Bluetooth Nan-Tec 8 9 Saltwater Outfit

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    Default Re: new to saltwater fly fishing for european sea bass!

    in Greece the best time of the year to target sea bass is from november to march with the peak of the season december january february! in those 3 months the water temprature reaches 10-15C and bass start spwaning.i know its a lot different in uk!
    No i have noone to teach me fly casting to greece!noone is fly fishing the salt!onyl some trout fly fishers but they live in the north part of the country!
    so you can fishstreamers with a full floating line?
    its the same way i catch bass with lures off the top or bumping soft plastics allong the bottom!
    i have caught the biggest bass and bluefish after dusk too i think they aprroach the shallow parts better at nights except if at the day there is murky water and low light weather .bass loves those conditions at daytime and they approach those shallow parts pretty often and they have a more aggresive behavior

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    the tackle mainteance after each session is the same as spinning? rinse with hot water and soap?its the same for rod reel and flies?

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    Default Re: new to saltwater fly fishing for european sea bass!

    louis i have noone here to teach me fly casting! but as you said i am waiting for that moment when ill feel the bass strike in my fingers ! as for the rod and the reel i just found a bargain offer! garry evans tackle shop has this
    Airflo Bluetooth Nan-Tec #8/9 Rod – MRP 119.99
    Airflo Saltwater Fly Line – MRP 44.99 (Choose Cold Water or Tropical)
    Airflo Airtec Reel – MRP 59.99
    175yd Spool of 30lb Backing – MRP 8.99
    Dragon Saltwater Fly Selection – MRP 7.99

    from 241 just 169 pounds...i am saving almost 100 euros! its the rod and the line you told me about and i checked the reel it is large arbor with full sealed drag so i think it can cope in the salt!

    As for the lines? with a floating line except form topwater flies i can fly streamers too?and with and intermdediate line except from streamers i can fish topwater flies too?
    i never used polarized sunglasses when i was spinning.but its different to protect your eyes from the sun and from the hook when you fly cast.there re real chances to get damaged when you fly cast?
    the leader thing is still a bit confused in my head.some says i will need tapered leader some others said you just need a straight monofilament line! the leader tippet combo is still a little complicated in my mind but i will understand its role and consruction when i ll start fishing!
    and i yes i must make a striping basket!

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    Default Re: new to saltwater fly fishing for european sea bass!

    If youre most successful method is topwaters then rather than a floating line Id suggest an intermediate which will perform much better being less affected by wind and wave and is a good all round line type to start with. You can also get surface popping flies and so you might want a floating line too.

    Make sure you get a line that is designed for use with heavy/larger flies. These will either be marketed as saltwater lines or predator/pike lines. They have a shorter heavier head to help turnover.

    Rod wise dont go longer than 10 to avoid fatigue with 9 or 96 being ideal. Id suggest an #8 is as light as you want to go but if you get a lot of wind to contend with you might want to consider a #9 or even #10. The benefit of the #8 though is that if you also get mullet where you are then the lighter kit can give great fun with those too.

    Leader: 6 of 20 fluorocarbon is my recommendation. Tie a tippet ring to the end and then another 2 of the 20lb leader or you could step down to 16lb. Whatever you use for lure fishing should be fine which is what I do.

    Flies dont need to be complicated with similar colours to your lures being an obvious choice. Ideally you want some flash too. If you tie them yourself theres lots of examples on the internet. Quite a few places sell them too.

    Fishing: once youve mastered casting and you get fishing keep the rod tip pointing at the fly as you retrieve and when you get a take DO NOT lift the rod tip to strike - youll just warn the fish and itll eject the fly. Instead with the rod tip still pointing at the fly give one or two long, fast pulls to set the hook. If you fail to hook keep retrieving and the fish will most likely have another go. If successful hang on for dear life and enjoy the fight.

    A couple of very successful patterns for me in UK waters:

    A basic weedless sandeel pattern:
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    A couple of fry patterns
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