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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Sussex Ouse Tributaries Sea Trout

    The smaller lakes you can peer into from the footpath have a different source which is effectively a drain so not great water quality.

    The culvert pictured is not a block to migration if its the Preston Estate one as the stream splits downstream so fish can still pass this without entering it, fish that do go that route would still pass in spate.

    The carp fishers did mention the sea trout but I did not believe them so was not looking last year.

    These are fresh run from January/Feb spate, have spawned already. Hens had scales off tails and top of heads.

    One fish was 29 inches and fat bodied, guessed the weight at around 12-15lbs.

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    Default Re: Sussex Ouse Tributaries Sea Trout

    Quote Originally Posted by apt1 View Post
    The most likely senario with any sea trout trapped in the lake is that they will rapidly lose condition and die
    Yes, this is what I suspect will happen too. Although the most Ouse sea trout appear to enter the river in December/January and in one day travel to their spawning grounds in the streams there are some that come up a lot earlier and then lie around in the river before heading for the streams. The condition of these fish is worse than that of the fresh run ones. The photo I posted earlier of the three dread trout is not sufficiently clear on the forum but in the hi-res version it is obvious that the fish at the bottom of the photo has lain around in the river for a while and the top one is fresh run. Saying that though, the still manage to get upstream to spawn after lying in a pretty turgid river so their condition can't be that bad.

    In the stream near me the small sea trout mostly stick to the fast oxygenated water behind weirs, anywhere else and the water is so slow, turgid and lacking in oxygen that they seem barely alive (if you catch them in this slow water you have to get them back very quickly or they expire).
    Last edited by mc2; 04-05-2011 at 09:30 AM. Reason: Clarity
    Simon Turner
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    Default Re: Sussex Ouse Tributaries Sea Trout

    I would like to take a look at these other weirs with fish ladders near you. I have only seen the one by the Anchor and the Barcombe one by the bridge, (which do not have ladders??)

    I need to walk the stretch near you again as not been there for a couple of years, Barcombe is a hidden Sussex treasure.

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    Default Re: Sussex Ouse Tributaries Sea Trout

    There are various ladders and passes at the Mills, some bad, some less so. The ladder at the Anchor must work although I've never seen any fish take it, but have seen multiple repeated failed attempts at the sluice leafs (spiced up by having to dodge a massive pike that knew exactly the best place to lie in ambush). The Sutton Hall fish ladder is a travesty (as is the whole weir). The trays are too short and so the trout don't get a good enough run from one to the next. The are another two problems with it that can turn it into a death trap.

    If you are looking for any advice on fish ladders I'd suggest talking to Andy Thomas of the Wild Trout Organisation and certainly Sam St Pierre of SOCS.

    If you go to the Mills have a look at the Andrews Stream. SOCS has undertaken some fairly extensive renovation work on it. I'll be around the Mills/Anchor/Bevern area tomorrow (and most Wednesdays) if you are free and fancy meeting up. I am not an expert on fish ladders though.
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    Simon Turner
    Barcombe, Lewes

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    Default Re: Sussex Ouse Tributaries Sea Trout

    At the risk of this thread becoming a monologue I thought I'd share some information that might be useful received from Dr Clive Fetter who is a bit of an authority on Ouse Sea Trout.

    He says:

    "It is possible that the trout in the lake could survive up to 10 years or more. If they can migrate into the stream above and successfully spawn they might form a stable, but small population. The Salmon & Trout Association lakes on a tributary of ******* Brook do contain some wild brown and these are sometimes caught and returned. They are usually much larger than the typical browns found in local streams."

    He also wonders if the trout you found with the kypes might have been not fertile stockies but instead the offspring of trapped sea trout. Generally the interbreeding of stockies and sea trout is considered a bad thing as survival rate of offspring is much lower than the natural rates.

    BTW. It seems that the Sussex Ouse Conservation Society were previously unaware that sea trout got as far up as your lake and so your findings have caused some interest. It seems likely that there may be more in the future if the work carried out by the Society on the feeder stream bears fruit.
    Simon Turner
    Barcombe, Lewes

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    Default Re: Sussex Ouse Tributaries Sea Trout

    [QUOTE=mc2;970799]At the risk of this thread becoming a monologue.....QUOTE]

    It's interesting stuff Simon and much appreciated.

    Pete

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    Default Re: Sussex Ouse Tributaries Sea Trout

    A separate question from me. I remember a TV programme where a couple of guys fished from a punt in the middle of a river by a bridge and a pub ............ I am sure that was the Sussex Ouse ....... anyone know about it!

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    Default Re: Sussex Ouse Tributaries Sea Trout

    Sounds like the Kings pool on the Avon in Christchurch to me.

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    Default Re: Sussex Ouse Tributaries Sea Trout

    The Sussex Ouse isn't really wide enough to bother with a punt at any point there are waterside pubs. The only pub I can think it might be is the Anchor Inn at Barcombe. They rent out "punts", horrible blue unnavigable flat bottomed things. There's a low concrete farm bridge near it too, in front of the weir.
    The Anchor Inn & Boating
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    Default Re: Sussex Ouse Tributaries Sea Trout

    I must be mistaken then. I just remember them catching sea trout.

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