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    Default Re: Sea trout v finnock?

    I wish I had photographed all the sea trout I caught in a Shetland Voe last Tuesday. In all I caught over 20 fish with the majority being over the pound. The first I caught there was no dispute being a lovely fat silvery fish of more than 3lb 8oz (according to my fishing buddy) and I had left my phone in the car! There were several others in the pound and a quarter to a pound and a half category that were slimmer in build to the remainder which were of the half to a pound category. The majority of the smaller fish were similar in build to yours Col and I would certainly call them finnock or "herrin troot" as they are called up here. My understanding is that "finnock" are grilse sea trout i.e. returning to spawn for the first time but how do we know for sure without taking a scale sample! Up here some would say that if a fish is over a pound it is a sea trout but that is extremely arbitrary and as you say there will be some above that weight that will be finnock. Personally I think the line between them is very wiggly as it probably is between salmon and grilse. 99% of my sea trout are returned so the definition isn't much of an issue to me. All of my fish went back that day including the big one. I did feel in two minds however especially as it was in superb condition and I never photographed it! Ach weel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tingvollr View Post
    99% of my sea trout are returned so the definition isn't much of an issue to me.
    All our fish were returned. It was just for the hotel's fishing register - how many finnock and how many sea trout?

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    The EA require (by law) a full catch return for migratory salmon & sea trout at the end of each season. They differentiate that sea trout are over a pound & that those a pound or less are finnock,peal or whatever their local terminology.
    2019 & it will be time for a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy1 View Post
    The EA require (by law) a full catch return for migratory salmon & sea trout at the end of each season. They differentiate that sea trout are over a pound & that those a pound or less are finnock,peal or whatever their local terminology.
    I'm confused now. So, do you need to differentiate between finnock and sea trout or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    All our fish were returned. It was just for the hotel's fishing register - how many finnock and how many sea trout?

    Col
    Ok I see what you are getting at. Do Marine Scotland ask for a split too? If so I would probably record mine as over a pound Sea trout / under - finnock. Rather arbitrary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy View Post
    I'm confused now. So, do you need to differentiate between finnock and sea trout or not?

    Col
    It would seem that we do under these guidelines from the EA, albeit, are they correct in "their" identificaton?
    2019 & it will be time for a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taffy1 View Post
    It would seem that we do under these guidelines from the EA, albeit, are they correct in "their" identificaton?
    Right, so they are going with Andy's suggestion (and one I tend to use myself) that 1 lb is a reasonable 'cut-off', in the absence of scale reading. What I'm asking is, is the 1 lb cut-off the best way (in the absence of scale reading) to decide? Could a fat finnock weigh more than a small, thin sea trout? If you identified by the shape that one was a fat finnock, while the other was a small, thin sea trout, then you could rightly put one in the register as a finnock and the other in the register as a sea trout, even though the finnock weighed more than the sea trout... if you see where I'm coming from...

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    Your possibility could very well depend on the surrounding habitat where these fish feed. Apparently they can gorge themselves if feeding on whatever is concentrated. A lack of available feed will provide an undersized specimen....do fish farms decimate the feeding opportunities for sea trout? Depending of course to where they migrate to feeding grounds? There's so much going on at sea it's a general case of what damage is actually being done. Can they adapt? Anyone can speculate.
    2019 & it will be time for a change.

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    What I'm asking is, is the 1 lb cut-off the best way (in the absence of scale reading) to decide? Could a fat finnock weigh more than a small, thin sea trout? If you identified by the shape that one was a fat finnock, while the other was a small, thin sea trout, then you could rightly put one in the register as a finnock and the other in the register as a sea trout, even though the finnock weighed more than the sea trout... if you see where I'm coming from...

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    What are the EA and MS doing with this data? If the methodology is changed would it not fudge the figures and open things to further misinterpretation? If the splits are made according to finnock= below a pound Sea trout= pound and over consistently throughout the UK then the figures remain as they have always been - flawed!

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    It's always going to be flawed as the research into sea trout has never been as extensive as it has been for salmon etc.
    2019 & it will be time for a change.

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