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    Default FAC SGC renewal and NHS cutbacks

    One for the resident ticket holders. Five year renewal due today for my co terminus tickets. My FEO telss me "Your GP has not been very helpful". My GP is a friend of the family and all round great bloke, so this surprises me.

    It turns out that he and the partners of the local doctors practice I attend have decided to not reply for requests for information from the police regarding their medical history.

    I thought this could cause problems for my application but apparently not. I contacted the surgery to be told, that the information request from the police regarding medical history is not part of the legal obligations and as they are under resourced they've made the decision to not supply any information.

    All ticket holders do have the fact noted on their medical records and should you seek help for a medical condition such as depression and they have concerns, then and only then will they contact the police.

    But this got me thinking, a newbie applying for their first ever ticket could in theory be issued a FAC, SGC or even both without any medical checks if their surgery have decided to take this route. Not a good thing IMHO.

    The Mrs who has a pretty senior role in the NHS seems to think that it's because once upon a time they could charge for this service and now cannot but is not 100% sure as yet. Has anyone else experienced similar?

    As an aside this was the quickest, easiest and most painless renewal ever. The new form is far quicker to complete and no dicking about with separate forms for referees etc.

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    In Scotland if you don't pay the quack, you don't get your ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by williegunn View Post
    In Scotland if you don't pay the quack, you don't get your ticket.

    I've read about that. How much does it cost just out of interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MobyJones View Post
    One for the resident ticket holders. Five year renewal due today for my co terminus tickets. My FEO telss me "Your GP has not been very helpful". My GP is a friend of the family and all round great bloke, so this surprises me.

    It turns out that he and the partners of the local doctors practice I attend have decided to not reply for requests for information from the police regarding their medical history.

    I thought this could cause problems for my application but apparently not. I contacted the surgery to be told, that the information request from the police regarding medical history is not part of the legal obligations and as they are under resourced they've made the decision to not supply any information.

    All ticket holders do have the fact noted on their medical records and should you seek help for a medical condition such as depression and they have concerns, then and only then will they contact the police.

    But this got me thinking, a newbie applying for their first ever ticket could in theory be issued a FAC, SGC or even both without any medical checks if their surgery have decided to take this route. Not a good thing IMHO.

    The Mrs who has a pretty senior role in the NHS seems to think that it's because once upon a time they could charge for this service and now cannot but is not 100% sure as yet. Has anyone else experienced similar?

    As an aside this was the quickest, easiest and most painless renewal ever. The new form is far quicker to complete and no dicking about with separate forms for referees etc.
    Pretty much as I understand it other than maybe the police being a bit more interested in the case of the FAC. I recently renewed my co-terminus FAC/SGC with the least hassle ever and I'm pretty sure my GP wasn't contacted. I also got my FAC with no nominated ground and two rifles with AOLQ which is a complete turn round from losing an argument to get the words "and wild boar" added to my .270 last time round!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MobyJones View Post
    I've read about that. How much does it cost just out of interest?
    I have a feeling it was £35.00 but it was over a year ago, I just paid it, it seemed easier than making a fuss. Interestingly a practice less than 20 miles away does not charge at all.

    The notes on the application form states.


    7. Where no relevant medical conditions are disclosed the police will contact your GP asking if they are aware of any relevant medical conditions or have any concerns about the grant of the firearm or shotgun certificate. Depending on the reply, the police may ask you to obtain a medical report from your GP/specialist. You are expected to meet the cost if a fee is charged for this. If further information is required the police may request and pay for a further report.
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    I have a feeling it was £35.00 but it was over a year ago, I just paid it, it seemed easier than making a fuss. Interestingly a practice less than 20 miles away does not charge at all.
    I've read on other forums parts of Scotland have charged £70 & over, & that's just for pop guns...

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    I think it's up to the individual doctors practice what they charge, there is no set fee, cost me £25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sewinbasher View Post
    Pretty much as I understand it other than maybe the police being a bit more interested in the case of the FAC. I recently renewed my co-terminus FAC/SGC with the least hassle ever and I'm pretty sure my GP wasn't contacted. I also got my FAC with no nominated ground and two rifles with AOLQ which is a complete turn round from losing an argument to get the words "and wild boar" added to my .270 last time round!
    i remember you posting about this at the time. The only similar issue I've ever had was when I asked about a .416. I stated I could get a letter of invitation from an African PH for a buff hunt.

    My FEO basically said, in that case, rifle, no problem. Full metal jacket ammo, no problem. Expanding ammo, no. Conditioned for deer, no chance. Apparently as I already have a 30 caliber rifle I can't justify using a .416 for deer. I did contact BASC's legal team who offered to contact my local force on my behalf, but they stated that although it's one of the more sensible forces in their opinion my chances were only 50 / 50 of deer being conditioned.

    How true this is I really don't know, but they said that the police really don't like granting people cannons in case there is ever a stand off as they don't like being outgunned!

    Secondly, they stated that the "old dears at the BDS" heavily influence the UK Deer Acts and Home Office guidance on suitable caliber and they really don't like to see deer "blasted with large caliber rifles".

    I never pursued it in the end but I did get to play with a .416 Rigby in Africa. My friends rolled a large truck tyre at me whilst I had to try and put three rounds into it before it hit me. The idea being that this simulated a buff charge. Lots of fun, though my shoulder might not agree!

    Maybe if I win the lottery I'll visit H&H and have one commissioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by williegunn View Post
    I have a feeling it was £35.00 but it was over a year ago, I just paid it, it seemed easier than making a fuss. Interestingly a practice less than 20 miles away does not charge at all.

    The notes on the application form states.


    7. Where no relevant medical conditions are disclosed the police will contact your GP asking if they are aware of any relevant medical conditions or have any concerns about the grant of the firearm or shotgun certificate. Depending on the reply, the police may ask you to obtain a medical report from your GP/specialist. You are expected to meet the cost if a fee is charged for this. If further information is required the police may request and pay for a further report.
    I've done a little more digging. It appears that a GP surgery is only obligated to respond to the police within 21 days of receiving their request. They are legally entitled to refuse to supply any information under a claim of conscientious objection. Interestingly enough it looks like doctors in England and Wales can also charge the applicant for their report, but I've never heard of this happening here.

    https://www.bma.org.uk/advice/employ...-to-z/firearms

    However if they do this, they should be adhering to the BMA guidelines on conscientious objection here.

    https://www.gmc-uk.org/guidance/ethi...ance/21177.asp

    I was specifically told that they are simply too busy to create reports and so have made a decision to refuse to supply the police with any info. This is clearly not covered by the GMC guidance so is a little disappointing.

    I do wonder if they've adopted a pragmatic approach though where they have a quick scan through someones medical records and ignore requests from those with no mental health history and maybe provide reports on those with mental health issues. I'd be very worried if a paranoid schizophrenic managed to obtain a ticket because NHS personnel failed to warn the police though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFrog View Post
    I've read on other forums parts of Scotland have charged £70 & over, & that's just for pop guns...
    Air rifle?

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    For my renewal this year, I had a letter from the Doctors asking a fee for a letter that was requested by Police.

    On advice of BASC I ignored it. When my firearms officer rang me, I told him and he said ‘I hope you didn’t pay’.

    As I understand it they have to reply, irrespective of whether I pay or not, if there is anything that should be taken into account for not issuing the license.
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