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    Default Re: Petition against the new offensive weapons bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    Lots of those in the UK
    Oh come on, that's just thoughtless, everyone needs to practice. You may as well suggest that owning tropical saltwater lines in the UK to practice for a trip abroad is unnecessary.

    My understanding of the current system is that you have to have permissions or a reason to own any FAC firearm. So there's no way you could justify the FAC for a 50cal,
    unless you are a dedicated long range target shooter with the hours to back that up and have started on smaller calibers (ask for 50cal as a first rifle ), neither could you easily justify a 50cal for typical british game species. Also you can have the FAC withdrawn if you aren't using the firearm for target or if you hadn't gone on a big game trip in years. As far as criminal misuse is concerned once a rifle has enough power it's pretty moot, it's easily capable of killing a person at much lower calibers than 50cal. So I don't understand what tools the state is lacking to control these sort of weapons. Am I missing anything?

    As a chemist I'm not cool with restricting supply of useful acidic chemicals, but I'd love to see much stronger sentences for the (horrific) misuse of those chemicals which was in this bill. Trying to maim someone for life is arguably more cruel than trying to kill them...
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    Default Re: Petition against the new offensive weapons bill

    [QUOTE=MobyJones;2415660]Are you claiming someone broke the law Al? Do you have a link to authenticated reports at all? People shoot in woods and forestry accessed by dog walkers all the time. Myself included. The Scottish right to roam policy allows them to be on property where shooting and hunting is taking place. I don't recall reading about anyone ever bagging a passing rambler though. Have you?

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    thats where your wrong,people believethe right to roam act allows them to walk wherever they want but it doesnt and people really need to read it and its clauses.It does not allow the public to walk on shooting estates without the permission of the owner,nor does it allow them to walk where a business is involved.Shooting in a wood or anywhere,the shooter would put out signs stating shooting is taking place and if a walker wishes to walk there on their head be it.

    A walker is not allowed to interrupt the running of any business but can use public right of ways if applicable.Oh and the shooter must have written permission of the owner of the land to shoot on it.

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    Default Re: Petition against the new offensive weapons bill

    [QUOTE=morayflyfisher;2453383]
    Quote Originally Posted by MobyJones View Post
    Are you claiming someone broke the law Al? Do you have a link to authenticated reports at all? People shoot in woods and forestry accessed by dog walkers all the time. Myself included. The Scottish right to roam policy allows them to be on property where shooting and hunting is taking place. I don't recall reading about anyone ever bagging a passing rambler though. Have you?

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    thats where your wrong,people believethe right to roam act allows them to walk wherever they want but it doesnt and people really need to read it and its clauses.It does not allow the public to walk on shooting estates without the permission of the owner,nor does it allow them to walk where a business is involved.Shooting in a wood or anywhere,the shooter would put out signs stating shooting is taking place and if a walker wishes to walk there on their head be it.

    A walker is not allowed to interrupt the running of any business but can use public right of ways if applicable.Oh and the shooter must have written permission of the owner of the land to shoot on it.
    I wish you'd tell the dog walker I've seen out on ground owned by the forestry commission for Scotland, Till Hill and Fountains then. We always had red flags and warning signs. Same thing with neighbouring estates where grouse shooting took place. Ramblers would walk there regardless.

    Can you point out the clause this applies too I'd be interested to see it.

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    Default Re: Petition against the new offensive weapons bill

    In theory the ramblers can be prosecuted i think, trespassing afaik is when you're risking your life or the life of others.
    Al

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