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    Default Eating of shot game

    Radio Scotland had a discussion on the number of pheasants shot versus the number eaten.
    the consensus among pro shooters was that more game should be eaten and the antis thought less game should be shot. Generally they preferred chicken …….. what do you think?

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    More game should be eaten. In the first place it is low in saturated fat and therefore healthy and in the second place it is free range having lived freely for several weeks or months before being killed. The average pheasant, partridge or grouse has a much higher chance - around 50% - of dying of natural causes than the average supermarket chicken - 0%.

    From the above, it seems clear that the antis don't care that the bird dies; it is how it dies that matters. Perhaps they should visit a poultry processing plant to watch a couple of thousand chickens being slaughtered. They might change their minds then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grouse and clare View Post
    Generally they preferred chicken …….. what do you think?
    Interesting, they go for a chicken Bhuna , the unfortunate source of protein has been cage reared , and has been transported crammed in a plastic cage for hundreds of miles . At five if six weeks old , it is slaughtered by being hung upside down and having its throat cut . If it’s lucky and not for the curry trade , it might be stunned first.

    Contrast that with a pheasant , at least 20 weeks of life , it’s got a chance of surviving the guns , the predators , the winter .

    People who eat meat often conveniently forget how it gets on their plate and conveniently assume the belief that abbatoirs are humane , which is far from the truth .

    What they are really complaining about is that others enjoy shooting pheasants , and see the taking of life as something that one should not derive pleasure from ... despite the fact that they take pleasure in a plate of curry , chops , or steak .,

    Or let’s put it this way , on reincarnation day , I get the offer of coming back as a battery hen or a pheasant which one would I choose ...

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    The problem is that, like fox hunting, it's a debate on two levels one being animal welfare and the other a perception of it being a "class" based activity. There is no doubt that a pheasant has a better life and death than a chicken and is superior food but to promote "big" days of much more than about 250 birds does the sport no good IMHO.
    “There is no more lovely country than Monmouthshire in early spring. Nowhere do the larks sing quite so passionately, as if somehow inspired by the Welsh themselves. There is a blackbird on every thorn and a cock chaffinch, a twink as they call him there, on every bush...... It moved me profoundly. I had been spared to see another spring, and I thank God for it.”

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    I'd agree that everyone should eat more game, but cost and availability is beyond that reality, I'd prefer to eat wild game but I'm aware that wouldn't sustain everyone, so I'm a bit lost on the moral argument when the simple practicalities are missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sewinbasher View Post
    The problem is that, like fox hunting, it's a debate on two levels one being animal welfare and the other a perception of it being a "class" based activity.

    The poor should eat more grouse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    I'd agree that everyone should eat more game, but cost and availability is beyond that reality, I'd prefer to eat wild game but I'm aware that wouldn't sustain everyone, so I'm a bit lost on the moral argument when the simple practicalities are missing.

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    The poor should eat more grouse?
    If you have a pheasant shoot near you the keepers will let you buy the game in the feather for pennies. How you then deal with it is up to you.

    sewinbasher is almost right about the class issue. As I stated in my first post these antis don't care about the chickens or pheasants being killed per se; it's HOW they are killed that is the problem.

    Personally I think the mindless slaughter of birds hanging upside down from a sort of conveyor with someone slitting their throats at the rate of one a second is pretty disgusting, but is conveniently ignored.

    However, it is the so-called toffs blasting birds out of the sky that gets some people wound up, and that includes some on here who should know better. From a position of total ignorance they have proclaimed on the driven game shooting part of country sports.

    So, how about one of them contacting me and coming with me at the end of January when the keepers have their day. He or she can use my gun under my supervision and show me just how easy it all is.

    Just to give them some food for thought this is what you need to be able to do.

    1) Judge how far away that pheasant is. The maximum realistic range for killing one is 40 yards.

    2) Assess the wind and the angle of flight. Is the bird flying straight or is it drifting slightly to right or left? Is the wind behind it pushing it along faster?

    3) Is it still flapping its wings, ie actively flying or is it gliding? When they glide they go faster as gravity comes into play.

    4) How much lead to give it? That is, how far in front of the bird do you shoot in order for the shot to hit the target. Shoot at it and you miss. The further away it is, the faster it is flying the further in front you have to shoot.

    5) Bear in mind that the very best driven game shots, people who were virtually born with a gun in hand, will expect a cartridge to kill ratio of 2.5. An average shot will do 4:1. The "toffs blasting them out of the sky" we've heard from on here and elsewhere will be lucky if all they do is shoot themselves in the foot.
    Last edited by BobP; 06-10-2018 at 10:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobP View Post
    If you have a pheasant shoot near you the keepers will let you buy the game in the feather for pennies. How you then deal with it is up to you.
    I live right in the middle of one, its private.

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    The guys I go out with are highly skilled...

    Roast pheasant, pheasant casserole, pheasant with red cabbage, pheasant in cider, pheasant terrine, pheasant curry, stir-fried pheasant, pheasant risotto, pheasant rissoles, pheasant sandwiches...

    By about the 3rd shoot of the winter, it's a case of "Anyone know anyone who wants a pheasant?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobP View Post
    However, it is the so-called toffs blasting birds out of the sky that gets some people wound up, and that includes some on here who should know better
    If they are doing it for fun and not eating them, or selling them on to a poulterer then it would include me, just from a waste point of view, I grew up with wild shooting for the pot, no issue with selling on what was shot where there was a surplus, but commercial shoots for 'sport' I have never felt comfortable with, if what is shot is not being eaten they have lost the point, and if the birds loose their value and become nothing more than a target, I'm aware shoots are very different, but the moral of the story is in the question, if shoots are producing dead birds no one wants they have their priorities wrong, it can't be that hard to find a market for pheasant as part of their activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    ... if shoots are producing dead birds no one wants they have their priorities wrong...
    I suspect that if they could work out a way to practice 'catch & release', the same as the majority of anglers now do, they would be doing it by the 3rd shoot of the winter...
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