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Sorry, I'm not interesting in discussing such things any further with 'lay' people.



Least of all lay people who just repeat the same insult, and post tired and overused clichés such as "variety is the spice of life".



Discuss fishing, leaving the EU, theoretical physics, etc. with me, where we are both 'lay' and it's fine.



But not social media because it's left you behind.
 

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Hardly a Luddite.
I was using the 'internet', as it is now called, years before it was publicly available. We partly designed it - it started as a USA hopefully 'nuclear bomb proof' military thing.

And I have been in computer 'communications' for over 35 years. We had 'near instant' international forums much like this one in the early 1970s.

And the 'Pan Am' Shuttle taking the guy up to the space station in '2001' has got our name on the instrument panel :D

Rest assured that what I posted is actually true. Even if you are "just looking" you would see far more if it was all in one 'virtual' place.

Just as an aside, I thought you worked for IBM? I have a passing familiarity with the history of ARPANET and don't seem to recall IBM having much of a role. The first nodes were BBN/Honeywell and, later, SDS were used more than IBM. Also, with the exception of Vint Cerf none of the architects of the networks and protocols (Paul Baran, Leonard Kleinrock, Donald Davies, Lawrence Roberts, Bob Kahn) - yer actual designers - ever even worked for IBM; Vint Cerf did his important work after leaving. Granted, UCSB had an IBM box but "'we' designed it" doesn't sit well with the facts.

Just sayin'.

Anyway, if you like photos, Instagram's a cool resource :thumbs:
 

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Just as an aside, I thought you worked for IBM? I have a passing familiarity with the history of ARPANET and don't seem to recall IBM having much of a role. The first nodes were BBN/Honeywell and, later, SDS were used more than IBM. Also, with the exception of Vint Cerf none of the architects of the networks and protocols (Paul Baran, Leonard Kleinrock, Donald Davies, Lawrence Roberts, Bob Kahn) - yer actual designers - ever even worked for IBM; Vint Cerf did his important work after leaving. Granted, UCSB had an IBM box but "'we' designed it" doesn't sit well with the facts.

Just sayin'.

Anyway, if you like photos, Instagram's a cool resource :thumbs:
I said partly.

And, more importantly, it's good enough for someone who starts his reply with an insult :)

Instagram? Unlike Facebook it doesn't have enough 'traction' in the market to be notably useful. It's just another "It gets in the way" for photos, like that other one called 'Pinterest'' or whatever. There are too many of them, all trying to climb on the bandwagon and just fragmenting it. So much so that most sane people don't bother with them. It's not that they are 'bad' as such. It's that without a particularly large user base they are next to useless as communication tools.
 

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I said partly.

And, more importantly, it's good enough for someone who starts his reply with an insult :)

Instagram? Unlike Facebook it doesn't have enough 'traction' in the market to be notably useful. It's just another "It gets in the way" for photos, like that other one called 'Pinterest'' or whatever. There are too many of them, all trying to climb on the bandwagon and just fragmenting it. So much so that most sane people don't bother with them. It's not that they are 'bad' as such. It's that without a particularly large user base they are next to useless as communication tools.

No insult intended - I was just fact-checking :thumbs:

BTW, Instagram's user base is 600 million. Fairly useful. Enough of those 600 million are fly fishers to make it useful to the folks on this thread with an account
 

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No insult intended - I was just fact-checking :thumbs:

BTW, Instagram's user base is 600 million. Fairly useful. Enough of those 600 million are fly fishers to make it useful to the folks on this thread with an account
Not from you. From Whitegoatie, he started all three of his replies to me with "Luddite" :D

And I can't be bothered with 'accounts' on such things, though I was nagged into a Facebook one by the 'girl'friend who has since given up using it herself. And one trout looks much like the next :)

I've got an iPad that's had about two hours use in three years too. She's not even opened the box hers (a present from her son) came in.

I've got a similar attitude to my late father. He worked for the railways most of his life. The last thing he wanted to do when he got home was to play with toy trains. I only bought the computer I'm typing on because I wanted a 'radio controlled toy plane' simulator, which needs a good graphics card. The one at work I only use as a 'dumb' terminal so it's pretty minimal :p
 
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What you say is 'true' but it's not effective.

You proved that yourself by having to show four different places to look for you and your 'operations' at the bottom of your post :D
You have to get up early to catch you out JY! :thumbs:

I think Chris and I will leave our signatures well alone for now. They're clearly indicative and work fine as a tabbed index of our 'operations', as you quaintly put it. :D

Thanks for the advice though. Always welcome. ;)
 
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No insult intended - I was just fact-checking :thumbs:

BTW, Instagram's user base is 600 million. Fairly useful. Enough of those 600 million are fly fishers to make it useful to the folks on this thread with an account

'I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots' - Albert Einstein.
 

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'I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots' - Albert Einstein.

I rarely visit London these days but last week I was there twice! What did strike me was how difficult it had become to navigate safely along the pavement as most pedestrians were looking at their mobiles rather than where they were going!
 

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I rarely visit London these days but last week I was there twice! What did strike me was how difficult it had become to navigate safely along the pavement as most pedestrians were looking at their mobiles rather than where they were going!



Google maps. They were looking at their mobiles to "see" where they were goingeither that or Pokemon (God that disappeared fast didn't it)


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I rarely visit London these days but last week I was there twice! What did strike me was how difficult it had become to navigate safely along the pavement as most pedestrians were looking at their mobiles rather than where they were going!
'Young people' are completely obsessed with all this gizmology.

They have been well and truly caught by the phone manufacturers and the mobile network providers, all of whom are rolling in money because of these people's pointless conversations, texts, and use of social media.

Suckers.

Earlier some nitwit posted that I have been "Left behind by social media". Can't such people see that NOT using it is no different from NOT making radio controlled model planes or NOT being keen on growing runner beans?

Why do these people find the need to TELL each other what they are doing all the time? It's not as if most of them do anything that's any kind of big deal.
 

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You have to get up early to catch you out JY! :thumbs:

I think Chris and I will leave our signatures well alone for now. They're clearly indicative and work fine as a tabbed index of our 'operations', as you quaintly put it. :D

Thanks for the advice though. Always welcome. ;)
Of course. Do whatever you want. I was just commenting using you as an example of people needing to look for 'all' of you in four different places, it's not for me to tell you what to do.

As for 'operations' I used it because other than selling some fishing stuff under the trading name of 'SKB' you seem to have some connection with Ladybower and maybe other things.

So it seemed a reasonable way to describe it :D
 
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Of course. Do whatever you want. I was just commenting using you as an example of people needing to look for 'all' of you in four different places, it's not for me to tell you what to do.

As for 'operations' I used it because other than selling some fishing stuff under the trading name of 'SKB' you seem to have some connection with Ladybower and maybe other things.

So it seemed a reasonable way to describe it :D
Your explanation is greatly appreciated. ;)
 

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'Young people' are completely obsessed with all this gizmology.



They have been well and truly caught by the phone manufacturers and the mobile network providers, all of whom are rolling in money because of these people's pointless conversations, texts, and use of social media.



Suckers.



Earlier some nitwit posted that I have been "Left behind by social media". Can't such people see that NOT using it is no different from NOT making radio controlled model planes or NOT being keen on growing runner beans?



Why do these people find the need to TELL each other what they are doing all the time? It's not as if most of them do anything that's any kind of big deal.



Have you ever thought of living in a cave on the Outer Hebrides?
 

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Hardly a Luddite.
I was using the 'internet', as it is now called, years before it was publicly available. We partly designed it - it started as a USA hopefully 'nuclear bomb proof' military thing.

And I have been in computer 'communications' for over 35 years. We had 'near instant' international forums much like this one in the early 1970s.

And the 'Pan Am' Shuttle taking the guy up to the space station in '2001' has got our name on the instrument panel :D

Rest assured that what I posted is actually true. Even if you are "just looking" you would see far more if it was all in one 'virtual' place.

Yet any average 12 year old with a phone will be more adept at using the internet!
 

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Have you ever thought of living in a cave on the Outer Hebrides?
You appear to be a man of very fixed ideas and seem totally unable to discuss areas of disagreement, which is one of the things forums are for.
However, unlike you, I am willing to accept I could be wrong (see below).

Fixed ideas? yes. I said that social media/multiple sources were a waste of time, mostly because you had to look for things in several places to find them all. That's an OPINION.
And opinions, not being 'facts', cannot be right or wrong.

You replied that I was a luddite, which is an 'insult'. (Not that I actually care, I have the skin of a rhinocerous.)

So I replied, giving considerable evidence that I was not.

You ignored that and called me a luddite two more times. Now you waffle on about the Outer Hebrides.

YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN MET ME. But as a result of ONE post about ONE 'minor side issue' on ONE forum devoted mostly to ONE subject (fly fishing) you have now 'insulted' me four times.

If that ain't being a man of fixed 'undiscussable' ideas I dunno what is.
 
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I think, for the first time since your reappearance, 'John Young', I agree with you; there are too many platforms to manage. The internet's present schisms - which are driven by who owns which bit/bot (FB or Google for e.g.) - could be done away with in preference of a more unified, non-commercialised and egalitarian entity which may have been realised in the first place if the tech had followed Ted Nelson's thinking in its primary stages. Any thoughts on that, JY?
 

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Yet any average 12 year old with a phone will be more adept at using the internet!
They always are 'adept'. We took the neighbours kids waterskiing, which they had never done before.

The 11 year old one was doing it fine in 20 minutes, the 9 year old one took about 30. It took us a couple of hours, plus 'knackered' breaks.

I work on designing big 'run the world' computers and related stuff. Currently I am working on 'quantum' ones, which is a very new area. Thus my interest in achieving significant competence in TYPING is near zero, I only bought one of these little 'toy' computers at all due to a combination of 'wife nagging' and one specific interest.
 

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They always are 'adept'. We took the neighbours kids waterskiing, which they had never done before.

The 11 year old one was doing it fine in 20 minutes, the 9 year old one took about 30. It took us a couple of hours, plus 'knackered' breaks.

I work on designing big 'run the world' computers and related stuff. Currently I am working on 'quantum' ones, which is a very new area. Thus my interest in achieving significant competence in TYPING is near zero, I only bought one of these little 'toy' computers at all due to a combination of 'wife nagging' and one specific interest.
So, any thoughts on my question about Ted Nelson's vision of the internet? How does it sit with your quantum-based version?
 

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I think, for the first time since your reappearance, 'John Young', I agree with you; there are too many platforms to manage. The internet's present schisms - which are driven by who owns which bit/bot (FB or Google for e.g.) - could be done away with in preference of a more unified, non-commercialised and egalitarian entity which may have been realised in the first place if the tech had followed Ted Nelson's thinking in its primary stages. Any thoughts on that, JY?
Yes, I do have thoughts.

What became the 'internet' began as a US military system.

In parallel, but totally separate, was that electronic hobbyists, bored with making endless stereo amplifiers, began to make 'home computers' based on 'controller chips'. I made one myself, using the National Semiconductor 'SC/MP' chip. In 1976 as I vaguely remember. In my case it was as a change from model plane radio control systems.

What happened?
The existence of these small 'home made computers' came to the notice of people like Steve Jobs, who wasn't a technical person at all, his only interest was in becoming wealthy. He got hold of Steve Wosniak, one of these electronic hobbyists, to do all the technical stuff.

There were plenty of others too. At the start there were around 50 of these tiny manufacturers.

The two separate things naturally came together and became the 'internet'. IT WAS ENTIRELY NON-COMMERCIAL. And there weren't any adverts.

Then the moneymakers got their hands on it. We are now 'consumers'.

I was there. I still have the very first issue of 'Byte' magazine, the leading journal of that 'beginning'.

Social media, Pinterest, Instragram, etc?
It's climbing on the bandwagon is all. And the resulting fragmentation is as bad as if we had to have specific cars to do specific journeys.

PS: The advantages of 'quantum' computers are in specific areas, mostly in 'undoable' calculations where the life of the universe is insufficiently long to do them on 'classical' computers. In the immediately foreseeable future I don't see them having broad applications. But that will change.
 
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Yes, I do have thoughts.

What became the 'internet' began as a US military system.

In parallel, but totally separate, was that electronic hobbyists, bored with making endless stereo amplifiers, began to make 'home computers' based on 'controller chips'. I made one myself, using the National Semiconductor 'SC/MP' chip. In 1976 as I vaguely remember. In my case it was as a change from model plane radio control systems.

What happened?
The existence of these small 'home made computers' came to the notice of people like Steve Jobs, who wasn't a technical person at all, his only interest was in becoming wealthy. He got hold of Steve Wosniak, one of these electronic hobbyists, to do all the technical stuff.

There were plenty of others too. At the start there were around 50 of these tiny manufacturers.

The two separate things naturally came together and became the 'internet'. IT WAS ENTIRELY NON-COMMERCIAL. And there weren't any adverts.

Then the moneymakers got their hands on it. We are now 'consumers'.

I was there. I still have the very first issue of 'Byte' magazine, the leading journal of that 'beginning'.

Social media, Pinterest, Instragram, etc?
It's climbing on the bandwagon is all. And the resulting fragmentation is as bad as if we had to have specific cars to do specific journeys.

I think thats a very fair appraisal from an electronicist's point of view! 'Technological determinism' was a favourite pub discussion with a lecturer of mine in the transition years between analogue and digital (mass market mid '90s),. We couldn't have predicted then where we are now and I don't think we're any better able now to predict where we'll be in even ten years time, save for the fact we know how tech-dependent the world is. If you lot hadn't been buggering about with transistors, servos, and PCBs, perhaps the world would be a better place these days :D I certainly wouldn't need yet another social media account.

You'll enjoy this if you get chance to watch it (currently on Netflix)

https://youtu.be/Zc1tZ8JsZvg
 
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