Boat seat arrangements...

Cap'n Fishy

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For over 20 years I've stuck with a standard issue Bob Church extending seat - the one that sits atop the gunwales. Meanwhile, over the last 10 years, my right knee has been giving me more and more gyp - and never more so than during a day afloat. It was becoming a real pest - spoiling my enjoyment, trying to get it into a position that wasn't causing pain.

The only days afloat where it didn't bother me at all were when I fished from the Merkister Hotel boats on Orkney. They are fitted with a bucket seat on a pedestal...

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Any time I was out on Loch Harray, my knee would be fine. I concluded it had to be something to do with the bucket seat and being related to posture, and being able to lean back and swivel and all that. I decided to try a bucket seat on a swivel. They are both available on eBay...

Bucket seat: £25

Swivel plate: £9.30

I had a swivel plate on an old seat I used to use many years ago, attached to a thwart clamp...



I bought one of the bucket seats and took the swivel plate off the old seat and with thanks to Wee Jimmy for a piece of aluminium plate, I rigged up the bucket seat on the Bob Church...


This arrangement proved to be fine on some boats, but just a bit too high when slung across the gunwales on others...


My wee legs were left dangling in mid air!

The answer was to bring it inside the boat and run it lengthways...



That arrangement was our set-up for our week on South Uist this year and it was a revelation. No more trouble with the bad knee! :thumbs::thumbs:

However, I wasn't out the woods yet. Note the difference in the design of the 2 Sweeney boats above. The top one is designed to allow a wheelcair to be put in the boat, but as a result the stretch from the stern to the middle thwart is really dodgy. Nineteen of the 32 boats on Menteith, for example, are the open 'horseshoe' type design. The horseshoe seat in the top photo gives just enough space if you could fit a board inside the gunwales, sitting close to the edge, maybe just lifted up a few inches....

I bit the bullet and bought a second bucket seat to increase my options. First job for the second team was to get a bit plank - strong enough to take a fat bastard. B&Q - oak board. :thumbs: Jeezo - drilling and sawing oak - it isn't called hard wood without good reason! Couple of bits of 3x3 fence post for the chocks. I measured it up against a Menteith boat last time we were there and cut it to get the angles just right. I added a couple of off-cuts of old rubber car mats to add a bit of cushioning/anti-slip to it.

Next issue...

The clamp type attachment that I had is notorious for not getting a good enough grip of a board. When you lean to the side, the clamp lifts up and you take a spill off the side of the seat. That is why so many seats are sold with ratchet straps instead. However, while they are advertised with the claim ""Will clamp to all boats"" the truth is that they won't. Look at the photo above. How would you fit the bow seat with ratchet straps?

If my new seat was to be universal, I would need to be able to fit it to bow thwarts with buoyancy tanks under them. Straps were not an option. But how to get a better general grip when on an open thwart or on my oak board?

I came up with this idea...

Two open turnbuckles...

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... connected to 4 shackles.

Hook them up and tighten the turnbuckles to pinch the clamps so they don't loosen their grip if you lean to the side a bit too much...


After rigging it up, and sitting on it, and leaning left and right, it seemed pretty good, so fingers crossed...

Anyone else been doing some customisation on the boat seat front?

Col
 
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I don't fish from a boat so I can't pretend to understand the necessity for such a project - but I like it. Slap a bit of creosote on the oak though. :thumbs:
 

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instead of using the clamps , try using ratchet straps - absolutely no slipping . :thumbs:

As I said above...

The clamp type attachment that I had is notorious for not getting a good enough grip of a board. When you lean to the side, the clamp lifts up and you take a spill off the side of the seat. That is why so many seats are sold with ratchet straps instead. However, while they are advertised with the claim ""Will clamp to all boats"" the truth is that they won't. Look at the photo above (the one with the buoyancy tank under the thwart). How would you fit the bow seat with ratchet straps?

Col
 

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As I said above...

The clamp type attachment that I had is notorious for not getting a good enough grip of a board. When you lean to the side, the clamp lifts up and you take a spill off the side of the seat. That is why so many seats are sold with ratchet straps instead. However, while they are advertised with the claim ""Will clamp to all boats"" the truth is that they won't. Look at the photo above (the one with the buoyancy tank under the thwart). How would you fit the bow seat with ratchet straps?

Col

all I did on Friday was pass the straps under the buoyancy tank and tighten , worked like a dream . no movement of the seat and able to finish a 6 hr session pain free .

ps . if you use ratchet straps on a thwart board or bob church style seat at each end it stops them from sliding or tilting making for a safer seating arrangement .

I agree with you about the Orkney boats , the best by far . :thumbs:
 

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all I did on Friday was pass the straps under the buoyancy tank and tighten , worked like a dream . no movement of the seat and able to finish a 6 hr session pain free .

I did consider the ratchet straps - trying to get the most options for the minimum of faffing around, when changing between set-ups, and decided to go with the turnbuckles.

Col

---------- Post added at 12:00 AM ---------- Previous post was Yesterday at 11:58 PM ----------

I would be incline to use ratchet strap where you've used the turnbuckles and still keeping the seat clamp.

Had a think about that - bit tricky as regards the amount of distance you have to work with.... hence I went with the turnbuckles.

Col
 

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Think it sits on top of the seat, the 3" fencepost is required to give enough hight above the boat seat for the clamp.
 

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Am I missing something here, or just being a dufus, but....
Col, how do you fit the turnbuckles on the bow seat, through the buoyancy tanks as in the picture you refer to?

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bert

Sorry, I maybe left out a bit info. When I am in the bow, I just use the seat with the clamp. The board is not required. If there is just a bow thwart with no buoyancy tank, I can tighten up the clamp with the turnbuckles. I take Mattybhoy's point about the ratchet straps going right under the buoyancy tank. I have a strap and will try it when that is the best option - I can hook the 2 ends onto the side clamps. However, the strap needs to be detachable, rather than a permanent replacement for the clamp, as there are some boats that just will not take a strap. I was in one today on the Black Loch...


I could have used the seat with clamp only and been careful with leaning sideways, but I was better with the the converted Bob Church lengthways across the thwarts.

The idea was to have the most options for the least hardware.

Col
 

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Think it sits on top of the seat, the 3" fencepost is required to give enough hight above the boat seat for the clamp.

Sorry for the confusion John - it's tricky to describe everything in one go. :eek:

The oak board is only for the horseshoe thwart type boats, which I seem to fish in a lot. I'm also very often on the engine, due to being corrie-jookit. The 3 inch blocks add a bit of height to make the seat just the right height for sitting in. Hopefully the post above explains the rest.

Col
 

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Admirable work col.I'm still bouncing around on bench seats on my Sheelin, but age/back is rapidly demanding a seat.Some good ideas there......
 

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I'm still bouncing around on bench seats on my Sheelin, but age/back is rapidly demanding a seat...

Cheers. As Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard said - "Weeda taken much better care of ourselves, if weeda known weez gonna live this long." :p

I had the new 'horseshoe Sweeney' arrangements through to a double-header at Menteith and our club water Sat/Sun, and ended up with a 'normal' boat both days! However, I tried it in a 'Menteith horseshoe' to check I had my measurements OK, and it fitted fine...

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I also sized up the ratchet strap with the bow thwart/buoyancy tank, and the problem is that the short end from hook to buckle is too long. The buckle wants to be under the tank at the point you want to start ratchetting. Needs some surgery done so that the buckle hooks directly on to the clamp and lies against the side of the tank. Should be do-able OK.

Col
 

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Has anyone tried attaching a boat seat swivel clamp ( like the one on Capn Fishy photo ) to a reservoir boat thwart simply using four little wooden wedges , two on each side ?
It works fine on scaffold planks :thumbs: and it would save having to fiddle about with ratchet straps . The boats are shut down on my local ressie so it will be next season before I can try it out in earnest . I have put a photo in my gallery but cannt manage to attach it to this post :eek:mg:
Just thought I would ask if anyone had already tried .
Rgds Howard
 

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That looks like a pefectly good alternative way of securing it Howard. Only thing is how big the wedges need to be to cover the range of gaps they will encounter, if used on a variety of boats. If they only need to fit a couple of boats it should be quite simple. Also might depend on whether they tend to fall out when shifting one's weight from side to side. Just need to suck it and see, eh? :)

I dunno how to pick up the JPEG link from your gallery, but I can put in a link to the photo, which is here...

Possible seat fixing to thwart - Fly Fishing Forums Gallery

However, you should be able to add the photo to your post. In the message dialogue box in the bottom right corner there is a [Insert photo from your gallery] link. Clicking on that should take you to your gallery, from where you can select the photo to add to the post.

Col

PS: Just looking at the clamps, they are obviously different sizes. You have one with a short distance to the bottom bar. I think I have one with a much wider distance to fill...?

 
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Capn Thanks very much for adding my photo . For some reason the forum system wont let me attach anything .
I agree my clamp looks shorter , I bought it using the link you posted , so it may be an optical illusion or they may have changed the design. I have a 5 cm "gap" between the rests which sit on the thwart and the top of the bar that runs parallel to the thwart.
It will be interesting to see if anyone else has tried the wedge idea . They are so easy to make and simple to tap in place .Pity it will be next season before I can test the theory.
Rgds Howard
 

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I agree my clamp looks shorter , I bought it using the link you posted , so it may be an optical illusion or they may have changed the design.

Aye, I think that one you have is a different design. My one came from Cabelas in the 1990s. You might have the same one my mate bought for his new seat, which is the one in the bows here...



If the buoyancy tank wasn't there, you could just about get a set of wedges in under the thwart. Actually, looking at yours again, it looks intermediate in size between our two.

Col
 
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