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Really nice to hear the views of two current bamboo/glass makers.
Yep I enjoyed it Steve, what was interesting when the subject of glass rods rods length wise came up. And that rods above 8ft I think Adam said loose a little of the action. I've been looking about for a glass rod for next Autumn/Winters Pike fishing, as owing to travel restrictions that has been a blown out. I was thinking of a 9ft as opposed to an 8ft as that tiny extra length would be beneficial along the margins of the rivers I fish and the bull rush beds that don't die completely off, I'll keep thinking. But may end up sticking with my 9ft graphite. All in all a good podcast, Pete has put some crackers up of late.
 

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Yep I enjoyed it Steve, what was interesting when the subject of glass rods rods length wise came up. And that rods above 8ft I think Adam said loose a little of the action. I've been looking about for a glass rod for next Autumn/Winters Pike fishing, as owing to travel restrictions that has been a blown out. I was thinking of a 9ft as opposed to an 8ft as that tiny extra length would be beneficial along the margins of the rivers I fish and the bull rush beds that don't die completely off, I'll keep thinking. But may end up sticking with my 9ft graphite. All in all a good podcast, Pete has put some crackers up of late.
It was really interesting to hear the viewpoints of people you only see in websites, magazines or perhaps if you're lucky at a fair. I think with the huge change in lifestyle with CV19, things like these podcasts will become the norm; even previously interviewees were in the same room as the interviewer, they are now remotely connected via Zoom or Skype. I started listening to another one in the US by a SpeyPages forum member called the River Rambler, which is always interesting as he always interviews quite interesting fishing personalities.
I may have to look up past episodes of Pete's! He's an interesting guy as well, I met him though a friend of mine who moved down to Devon, and he convinced me to write a short article about my trip to BC for steelhead for his Eat, Sleep, Fish ezine. I think the podcasts will be more popular.
I think Adam was referring to long rods for trout and grayling, however these new Livingston glass rods seem to specialise in 9'+ rods which seem very popular.
I think I mentioned earlier that my friend from Slovenia fly fishes for big pike with old Hardy Fiberglass10wt and over 9' possibly 9'6 or 10' and throws heavy sinktips and huge flies. Even if it's tip heavy, a heavy reel will sort that out.

An interesting post on Flyrodders about heavy glass rods : 9/10' glass 10wts
 
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If you get a glass rod at 8'6'' instead of 9' which would be more practical.
You can get saltwater heavy weight rods under 4oz which would be ideal for pike.
Although a graphite and not glass, and not vintage, Bob Meiser produces this short 9'9" double handed rod which is supposed to be used for big freshwater species like pike and muskie and bluewater fish - but with a double handed overhead cast rather than a spey cast.
If I were to fish for pike again I would have a rod like this, instead of double hauling massive flies with a heavy outfit. I have a Beulah 10'6 10/11 rod which I fished in this manner when I visited my friend in slovenia for hucho, and it made light work of casting those huge flies long distances.
Perhaps something like this could be made up on a heavyweight glass blank, if you didn't specifically want a vintage glass.
 

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Yes I agree Steve, why flog yourself to death with a s/h rod when you could use a switch 11' 8/9
or a 12' d/h x 10 for pike, I have a 12' 8/9 that's a pleasure to cast with a scandi line, just cut the head back 6' and it will turn over pike fly's easy.
 

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Longer rod gents where I fish for Pike are a no go, wading is out. And I would not have the room with longer rods for a backcast. The old school fibreglass rods are not in the equation either.

I would not mind a punt on an Echo Glass rod.
 
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Longer rod gents where I fish for Pike are a no go, wading is out. And I would not have the room with longer rods for a backcast. The old school fibreglass rods are not in the equation either.

I would not mind a punt on an Echo Glass rod.
Seems big fish rods from Echo & Epic are both 8' :cry:

Though there is a Livingston 9' #8.. http://www.livingstonrod.com/fly-rods/flats-glass
 
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Seems big fish rods from Echo & Epic are both 8' :cry:

I think you may be right Steve, But I think I saw a review online for a glass 9ft 9# over Christmas, but I was pissed then.:). I'll get a message out to one of my wife's cousins in Canada and ask him. He throws lures and flys for Muskie.
 

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I think there was a 9' Echo, but as you can see the weights are significant, 6.5oz for #10 and a ridiculous 7.4oz for the #12 : https://echoflyfishing.com/project/bag/ It isn't in the current lineup, just the 8'


Seems they're mainly for sight fishing on the flats or other; I don't think pike fishing is like that, well not any pike fishing I've ever done. I had a Winston XTR 9' #8 which weighed 5 1/4oz which I used for slinging Teeny T3/400s for seabass. It was pretty tiring by end of day, with a lot of strain on the wrist, as you needed a heavy reel to balance it - I used an Abel 3/N.

A post/review on the US forum with the BAG Quickshot #8 which seems more than enough for pike (unless your pike are in the 30lb class! 😜). 9' sounded an unusable length for long, perhaps why it's off the catalog. https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/index.php?threads/echo-bag-quickshot.463047/
 
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I think you may be right Steve, But I think I saw a review online for a glass 9ft 9# over Christmas, but I was pissed then.:). I'll get a message out to one of my wife's cousins in Canada and ask him. He throws lures and flys for Muskie.
Jason,

The answer might be to look at Ameriglass, blanks a 7'10'' x 10 wt 329.00 dollars.
Or North fork composites, blanks 8'6'' x 8-10-12 wt in glass.
 

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My wife is the brains of the outfit and she suggested if we can get over to Canada this year, try a few rods out over there. And then stick it in the suitcase on the way home. I hope we can as the trip for last April was cancelled, not complaining as everyone is in the same boat travel-wise.
 

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I’ve about 9 or 10 modern glass rods and if you want to dive in, forget what applies with carbon rods, it’s totally different.
The favourite rod today in NZ for their big 20+ Browns is the Epic 580.
You can use much lighter line weights, as they behave when playing a fish totally differently- much more power low down and more mid flex, I can fish much lighter tippets, with much less risk of break offs, than with carbon rods. 8’ or 8’ - 3” are about the optimal length.
I think we fish far too heavy in the U.K. I’ve seen big Tarpon and double figure bones and snapper landed on #6 outfits.
Watch Jeremy Wade on Youtube land a 250 lb plus Arapaima on an #8 weight outfit- which are the most powerful freshwater fish, scale that back to Pike- a 10th the weight maybe?
 

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I’ve about 9 or 10 modern glass rods and if you want to dive in, forget what applies with carbon rods, it’s totally different.
The favourite rod today in NZ for their big 20+ Browns is the Epic 580.
You can use much lighter line weights, as they behave when playing a fish totally differently- much more power low down and more mid flex, I can fish much lighter tippets, with much less risk of break offs, than with carbon rods. 8’ or 8’ - 3” are about the optimal length.
I think we fish far too heavy in the U.K. I’ve seen big Tarpon and double figure bones and snapper landed on #6 outfits.
Watch Jeremy Wade on Youtube land a 250 lb plus Arapaima on an #8 weight outfit- which are the most powerful freshwater fish, scale that back to Pike- a 10th the weight maybe?
I'm not a fan of going to light, to be honest, with my Pike fishing I want them in, yes enjoy the fight but get them in. A 6# is to light for the rivers I fish, I've fished split cane for years in general coarse fishing. My lure fishing for Perch is based around small crankbaits and I use glass composite rods, I have a couple from Megabass in Japan, that are really Bass rods for the JDM market. Loomis etc and rods made by makers in the UK and they are a joy to use.

I just fancied a bash at Pike on the glass, and as mentioned earlier in the thread I bloody miss it this season owing to the travel restrictions, but would much prefer a 9#.
 

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I use #4-5 on 20 plus big Stillwater Rainbows and tbh I get them in faster than carbon, as you can bully them far more than say a #7 Carbon, when you’d get smashed easily, having a decent smooth drag is half the battle too.
Adam Rawson does some nice 8’ #8/9Pike specials.
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Yep I enjoyed it Steve, what was interesting when the subject of glass rods rods length wise came up. And that rods above 8ft I think Adam said loose a little of the action. I've been looking about for a glass rod for next Autumn/Winters Pike fishing, as owing to travel restrictions that has been a blown out. I was thinking of a 9ft as opposed to an 8ft as that tiny extra length would be beneficial along the margins of the rivers I fish and the bull rush beds that don't die completely off, I'll keep thinking. But may end up sticking with my 9ft graphite. All in all a good podcast, Pete has put some crackers up of late.
I have a couple of Fibatube 9'6" #7-9 and #9-10 glass rods I made up from blanks in the 80's for pike flyfishing in Lincolnshire. They are great with fast actions and the #9/10 will put the whole of #9 line out easily. They ate not too heavy, but to achieve the action for the length the butt is thick at around 17mm and no fun in the wind of a typical Fenland day.
Even with modern glass, to achieve a fastish action means thick blanks in lengths above 8'6". Anything above 15mm (the butt thickness of the NFC 8'6" #10 mentioned above) is going to be a problem in the wind. This is an understated issue with glass in longer rods.

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I have a couple of Fibatube 9'6" #7-9 and #9-10 glass rods I made up from blanks in the 80's for pike flyfishing in Lincolnshire. They are great with fast actions and the #9/10 will put the whole of #9 line out easily. They ate not too heavy, but to achieve the action for the length the butt is thick at around 17mm and no fun in the wind of a typical Fenland day.
Even with modern glass, to achieve a fastish action means thick blanks in lengths above 8'6". Anything above 15mm (the butt thickness of the NFC 8'6" #10 mentioned above) is going to be a problem in the wind. This is an understated issue with glass in longer rods.

Rich
Spot on about the thick butt's in some longer glass rods. They seem to work best in short rods under about 7' for me where heavier weight can be a benefit rather than a hindrance.
 

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Spot on about the thick butt's in some longer glass rods. They seem to work best in short rods under about 7' for me where heavier weight can be a benefit rather than a hindrance.
My 868 CTS Quartz is a delight but she ain't fiitting in no skinny jeans any time soon 😂
 

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