Dry Fly - high performance fly lines?

LukeNZ

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A lot of my fishing has become trout spey since getting hooked on it a few years ago. And of course, all my lines and tackle now reflect that trend.. ....or dare I say, passion!

However, I recently re-discovered my barely used little Hardy (glass/sintrix) Sirrus 4/5wt. 7’6” lurking underneath all my long-rod tubes on the garage shelf racking.

It was a novelty rod, because I had romanticised about owning a glass rod after reading a book all about fishing ‘twigs’ as the author had referred to his collection. The size of fish I encounter, made 1 and 2 wt. rods impractical. When I saw the Sirrus it looked like a ‘twig’ type rod but in 4/5wt. and quite retro to boot. I had to have it.

I cast it on the lawn quite a bit and possibly on the water once, but the trout spey had a much bigger pull on me.

I looked for the fly-line that I surely must have got for it somewhere... .....but, now think it may have been displaced into oblivion at some point, when I needed the reel to spool up and test the next greatest trout micro spey head combo in haste...!

To set the scene - it’s now late summer here in NZ, and the normally big wide rivers where I live, are now much more shallow and the flow is also much reduced, and it’s becoming more difficult to catch fish; in some part possibly due to the more splashy nature of trout spey, though the fine and far off drift of a nymph on a long rod is effective, as you will all know - but there is a lot of action now, becoming more on the surface.

Realising that as fun as trout spey is, I am flogging a dead horse at the moment, and that also as I don’t need to shoot line a great distance, that I should set up my Sirrus for dry fly, given that the evening rises are quite consistent.

So, it is with all the above musings in mind, I am looking for the best fly line I can get for dry fly use?

I was thinking something double taper in 4wt. though the Hardy Sirrus is rated 4/5wt. it is fibreglass albeit with a bit of Sintrix, which actually makes it a pretty fine casting rod (did I also say already that it looks awesomely retro...).

Because I mainly use quite specialist heads for my trout spey, that are not particularly from mainstream manufacturers, I can appreciate that there may be dry fly line manufacturers which I am unaware of, that you guys are - especially as competitive fishers you will want every advantage you can get and will be at least as picky as I am with regard to anything trout spey and my set-ups.

My questions (after all that preamble...) are;

What might be the ultimate dry fly line for my wee Hardy Sirrus 4/5wt 7’6” rod?

Obviously there is Rio, SA, etc. and the other mainstream line manufacturers products which I can see online, and find something that will be OK, and even really good.

But; or should I say, in addition - given that dry fly has not been an area of specialism for me - are there any specialist and/or boutique/custom dry fly line manufacturers that I have not come across in my sphere of fishing, that I could also consider? In two handed fishing there are more boutique and custom line manufacturers than mainstream producers.

I perceive that competition guys such as yourselves, might have some interesting dry fly line recommendations, insights and first hand experiences - honed at the pointy end of our sport; hence my posting here?

(Phew! just proof read this - it is a freakishly long way around to the actual point...!)

Cheers and beers in advance!
Luke.
 
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sum olgy

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Orvis are just about to launch a new set of fly lines. They seem to be re-badged SA lines to me but I’m sure Orvis will say not.

And I have to ask - what makes you think an S.A. Amplitude line is better than say a Barrio line?
 

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Tempted to say Wulff TT, but its impossible to say without trying it.
 

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Orvis are just about to launch a new set of fly lines. They seem to be re-badged SA lines to me but I’m sure Orvis will say not.

And I have to ask - what makes you think an S.A. Amplitude line is better than say a Barrio line?

Thanks sum olgy,

I don’t know if it is better or worse, having not tried either. Which do you think is better or worse and why?

Obviously I am looking for a nice soft presentation out to 40 ft., more or less. Not too spooky in colour, with good longivety. Low, or no coil memory, and given the differing nature of glass rods albeit it is stiffened with sintrix, it’s still not a carbon rod. And then it also has a relatively wide grain range within the 4/5wt. line rating.

So then, which make/model and weight of fly line irrespective of mainstream or boutique manufacture would you consider fits the bill, if you were looking to fish dry fly with such a rod - to your minds view of perfection?

Which would you try/buy and why?
 
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Silk line seems to fit the bill for what you are looking for. Soie Mouche Peche-Soie naturelle-Antonio Perez

I’ve been using one of his 4 weight lines on my Cult for the past four or five years and the line just gets more supple with use. Line casts well, very delicate presentation, cuts through wind and helps cushion the shock of a big fish.

Take care

Terry
 

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Phœnix Silk fly line all the way!!!!

Or a Yano if you can afford one....

If you prefer plastic: Lee Wulff TT, or the modern version of it by its maker (SA) the new orvis Pro trout
 

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The Rio Trout. In Touch, LT, Dt line might suit.. However there is this..
Aventik Double Tapered Fly Fishing Cast Line Gentle Long Taped Delicate Presentation Fishing Line-in Fishing Lines from Sports & Entertainment on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group

Pretty good copy, side by side and fishing tis very difficult to tell any difference. The line (as the Rio) is half a line weight heavy so a #4 should be good on the rod you have. Really nice line that is capable of very gentle presentation. Only actual difference I can find is price, and that is large... so sort of makes the copy an ideal ''cheap''line to play with..
Dave.
 

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Thanks ohanzee,

Why the triangle taper, what line weight, and why those choices?

Its got a very long fine tip for presentation but the triangle taper suits roll and spey casting, I always felt the head was too short for a 9' rod but on a hunch it might be just nice on the shorter rod, you can get through a lot of lines thinking stuff like this though, only way is find one to try before spending to discover it wasn't what you imagined it to be.
 

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I like the idea of silk, as recommended by some of you guys.

The line I had originally was a Rio top of their line double taper 4wt. and yes of course it cast however I wanted it to.

What I have discovered in NZ is that due to the extreme UV after less than 2 years light use the plastic line coating becomes dull limp and powdery.

So does silk have a better resistance to UV and sunlight?

To be honest the cost does not really factor - so I am up for an expensive line if they are worth it.

Never used one, so some tips on use and care would be great.

Cheers and beers,
Luke
 

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Hey Luke;

Think I wrote a review on the Antonio Perez silk lines on this forum. Care is minimal, strip the wet part of the line off the reel at the end of the day and let it dry then spend five minutes running some grease over it using a piece of chamy and you can even limit the greasing to every three or four sessions of fishing. To my mind the advantages are the suppleness of the line, it lands like thistledown, cuts through wind better than most synthetics, and due to its construction helps to take some of the shock of a hard take.

Terry
 

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Hi

On my side I hesitated between Antonio Perez and An « Olive Fly line ». After contacting both of them and discussing their fabrication method, I went for an Olive fly line:soie naturelle - oliveflylines

Obviously this is pure artisanal work, so probably not a brand many will have heard about. The quality is absolutely superb!!! It’s at least as good as my Phoenix, and to me Phoenix is the gold standard... the TT profile on the Olive fly line is really sweet for dry fly...

That said if I were on your side of the planet I would probably go after a Yano as it s made in Japan and has a top reputation worldwide...

Oh and to answer your question : if you give your silk line a minimum of care (dry it through after use, and grease it only when dry) it will last you a lifetime and it gets better (even more supple and more slick) over time... if you are a hardcore fisherman like I sometimes am and can fish 36h in 48h, you might want to consider having 2 lines so you can switch when one is wet...

Enjoy!!!!
 
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Thanks Pati,

I will be sure to check them all out - I’m definitely keen to give silk a go!

...I can feel the urge creeping up for a Hardy 2 7/8” wide spool Perfect reel to put it on...

I use every other size of Perfect up to and including The Taupo model, so a little 2 7/8” Perfect would complete my trout reel set...

Any other excuses I can use on myself....?

Cheers,
Luke.
 
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Snowbee Thistledown well worth a go.Some natives I know down there in Aotearoa like the Airflo Bandit.Silk ? not sure suited to NZ combat.:eek:hno:

Best JP
 
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Snowbee Thistledown well worth a go.Some natives I know down there in Aotearoa like the Airflo Bandit.Silk ? not sure suited to NZ combat.:eek:hno:

Best JP

Silk line would be just for the fun of trying something different - and to complete the nostalgia of a light 4wt. retro fibreglass rod with a little classic reel to boot.

It would be fun, perhaps until the inevitable hook up with a hot wild NZ rainbow....
 

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Personally I really rate the Cortland Sylk for smallish stream fishing with easy action rods like your Sirrus, where I would usually prefer to use a double taper. The Snowbee Thistledown is also nice if you want a forward taper, but if your rod is a 4/5 you may need to ariellise most of the head to get it to work the rod properly. Another line worth considering might be the Snowbee Delicate Presentation though I have it in a 6wt for dry fly on the lakes and haven't any experience of it in smaller sizes or for river use.
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