Yours or hers? And what colour?I landed a 5lb grayling on a pubic hair once!
Douglas
Yours or hers? And what colour?I landed a 5lb grayling on a pubic hair once!
Douglas
That remains to be proven. Someone needs to sit at the bottom of a swimming pool with a stop watch while someone else casts identical thickness leaders and identical weight flies onto the water. The person sitting on the bottom of the pool then times them to see which hits bottom first.And it helps to sink the nymphs faster.
It would be rude to tell a ladies colour!Yours or hers? And what colour?
Yours or hers? And what colour?
I landed a 5lb grayling on a pubic hair once!
Douglas
That remains to be proven. Someone needs to sit at the bottom of a swimming pool with a stop watch while someone else casts identical thickness leaders and identical weight flies onto the water. The person sitting on the bottom of the pool then times them to see which hits bottom first.
Somehow I doubt there will be a significant difference.
With tungsten beaded nymphs I doubt if the difference would be that noticeable, as the proportion of extra weight from the tippet would be small. However, I've noticed a big difference between fluorocarbon and nylon leaders when using light buzzers. Once the tippet breaks through the surface tension, it would be breaking the laws of physics if the fluorocarbon did not sink quicker than nylon. http://www.ultimauk.com/advice_cent...n will take on average,want to be much faster.That remains to be proven. Someone needs to sit at the bottom of a swimming pool with a stop watch while someone else casts identical thickness leaders and identical weight flies onto the water. The person sitting on the bottom of the pool then times them to see which hits bottom first.
Somehow I doubt there will be a significant difference.
With tungsten beaded nymphs I doubt if the difference would be that noticeable, as the proportion of extra weight from the tippet would be small. However, I've noticed a big difference between fluorocarbon and nylon leaders when using light buzzers. Once the tippet breaks through the surface tension, it would be breaking the laws of physics if the fluorocarbon did not sink quicker than nylon. http://www.ultimauk.com/advice_centre/fluorocarbon/#:~:text=Fluorocarbon will take on average,want to be much faster.
I'm sure you are right, but if you work out the weight of a 1 metre 0.14mm tippet it comes to 0.035g for fluoro and 0.022g for nylon. My typical heavier tungsten beaded nymph weighs around 0.5g, so you are comparing 0.535 with 0.522, ie about 2.5% difference!On a short drift (5 to 10 seconds) every split second counts and on a three nymph setup one or even two are unweighted. The weighted one is supposed to take the others down. Not to be mimicked, but competition anglers tend to smash the train through the surface, just to gain a longer drift in the business area.
A lot of other factors to consider here.With tungsten beaded nymphs I doubt if the difference would be that noticeable, as the proportion of extra weight from the tippet would be small. However, I've noticed a big difference between fluorocarbon and nylon leaders when using light buzzers. Once the tippet breaks through the surface tension, it would be breaking the laws of physics if the fluorocarbon did not sink quicker than nylon. http://www.ultimauk.com/advice_centre/fluorocarbon/#:~:text=Fluorocarbon will take on average,want to be much faster.
I'm sure you are right, but if you work out the weight of a 1 metre 0.14mm tippet it comes to 0.035g for fluoro and 0.022g for nylon. My typical heavier tungsten beaded nymph weighs around 0.5g, so you are comparing 0.535 with 0.522, ie about 2.5% difference!
Your river sounds like some i fish.Fast deep at bits with big structure on the bottom.I could lose a dozen nymphs a day sometimes euronymphing.But even when fishing a drop shot rig on these bad snags sections.I like to fish from the top down.(well spring/summer).Have a few casts in an area drifting high in the column.Then add weight & fish deeper.I like adding a couple of small lines of solid paint.I add this below my sighter.Then i can gauge the depth i am at when I am rumbling along bottom I feel the shot bouncing.When i first started trying drop shot I used weightless flies.But now I use quite a few bead head nymphs in the mix.I don't go above 2.5mm on the bead though.Sometimes fish wan't the flash or a hot colour.Especially when the rivers holding colour.CheersMany thanks for the replies. Next time I'm able to fish the river, hopefully in May, I'll give the drop shot a go as the trout there rarely take a dry fly before the mayfly hatch.
OOps, made a mistake in the calculation. The corrected version is 0.026g for the fluoro and 0.017 for the nylon, so with the 0.5g nymphs, the corrected difference is 1.7%. For a 5mtr leader I use with buzzers, the figure comes out at around 30%. Not surprising I notice the difference there!I'm sure you are right, but if you work out the weight of a 1 metre 0.14mm tippet it comes to 0.035g for fluoro and 0.022g for nylon. My typical heavier tungsten beaded nymph weighs around 0.5g, so you are comparing 0.535 with 0.522, ie about 2.5% difference!
You are assuming that the leader sinks at the same rate along its length and we all know that it doesn't. At one end you've got a fly and 5metres away you've got a floating fly line. So you are making the assumption that the fluoro is so heavy that it will drag the fly line down at the same rate as itself. 10 seconds out on the water will soon disprove that.OOps, made a mistake in the calculation. The corrected version is 0.026g for the fluoro and 0.017 for the nylon, so with the 0.5g nymphs, the corrected difference is 1.7%. For a 5mtr leader I use with buzzers, the figure comes out at around 30%. Not surprising I notice the difference there!
Totally agree Bob, get out there and try different things, the fish will let you know when you get it right or wrong.You are assuming that the leader sinks at the same rate along its length and we all know that it doesn't. At one end you've got a fly and 5metres away you've got a floating fly line. So you are making the assumption that the fluoro is so heavy that it will drag the fly line down at the same rate as itself. 10 seconds out on the water will soon disprove that.
I think you just need to get on, go fishing and forget about 0.026 and all the rest of it. Concentrate on catching fish and stop worrying about whether your fly is 1 centimetre deeper than you would like. Too many trees and nowhere near enough wood.
I know my mind - ESN. I simply added the buzzer fishing to show the physics, maths and understanding behind my observation, that I've noticed very little difference between fluoro and nylon with short line ESN and heavy nymphs, but big differences with long leaders and very light buzzers. I use fluoro for nymphing for it's (debatable) lower visibility and harder wearing, and I do seem to catch more fish with it. For long leaders I mix and match with nylon/fluoro depending upon whether I want the whole leader to sink rapidly, or just the front part of it. The assumption I'm making about the floating fly line is it will float. Not necessarily true as the thicker end of the fluoro leader will drag the fly line under. My calculation was based upon the 0.25mm fluoro that I use in the centre of the leader. I agree, it is only an approximation but with the longer, heavier leader and lighter flies, it's obvious that a more dense line will sink noticeably faster than a less dense line, as I have found.Andrzej,
The problem is that we are talking about different things on this thread. We might have started off talking about Euro nymphing, but have since quietly slid into buzzer fishing on stillwaters. Two different styles and methods. The OP needs to make his mind up what he wants to discuss.
Having said that my basic point above applies to both.