Glencoe, Rubbish!!

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I mentioned this phenomenon to my 22-year old daughter at supper and she made a potentially insightful observation. There is no doubt that lockdown and post-lockdown has changed behaviour patterns. She suggested that people (of all ages) who may previously have gone to pubs, clubs, etc have instead gathered outdoors to drink and socialise. Drink (and possibly drugs) can lead to less responsible behaviour and thus refuse left behind - witness the sea of refuse left behind at festivals although I know steps are being taken to address this.

Here in Reading, I can't say I have noticed any more litter around than normal. Road lay-bys are generally bad though as are some areas for fly tipping.
 

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4 wings mentioned youngsters who may or may not have a place to sleep. That has me wondering if some of this problem might caused by homeless who have 'gone Bush' rather. I know that just that has happened in a big way where my son lives in Southern California.
There are certainly a fair few tents littered around in our area which I assume were originally from the homeless. Cardiff, where my daughter used to study, had loads pitched in certain areas. However, not sure if the homeless are responsible for more litter generally - somehow I doubt it. I suspect the problem originates from all sections of society.
 

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If you are talking about large scale rubbish it is getting harder to deal with. The move towards recycling comes at a cost. Two years ago we got rid of most building rubbish for customers, now we get rid of none unless it is skipped. A skip can now cost up to £650. Very few take the option of a skip.
 

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I mentioned this phenomenon to my 22-year old daughter at supper and she made a potentially insightful observation. There is no doubt that lockdown and post-lockdown has changed behaviour patterns. She suggested that people (of all ages) who may previously have gone to pubs, clubs, etc have instead gathered outdoors to drink and socialise. Drink (and possibly drugs) can lead to less responsible behaviour and thus refuse left behind - witness the sea of refuse left behind at festivals although I know steps are being taken to address this.

Here in Reading, I can't say I have noticed any more litter around than normal. Road lay-bys are generally bad though as are some areas for fly tipping.
Thanks for that, I think it’s more than likely the case. I must add that I had a job clearing the rubbish off industrial estates in Derbyshire for 20+ years and I can say that during that timeframe no discernible change occurred.
I parked up on the lay-by on Rannoch Moor last autumn and did notice a huge amount of industrial waste tipped down the embankment.
 

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If you are talking about large scale rubbish it is getting harder to deal with. The move towards recycling comes at a cost. Two years ago we got rid of most building rubbish for customers, now we get rid of none unless it is skipped. A skip can now cost up to £650. Very few take the option of a skip.
Yeah that is probably getting close to it, then add no council to pick it up and it soon builds up.

Last time I was at loch Ba there was a bit of litter around the layby(with the big rock in front) and one very obvious camp about 300 yards from the road, beer cans and bottles, but beyond the convenient distance you can carry all the cr@p they seem to need it was spotless.

Need to make a distinction here, wild campers are a different species from 'out of car campers', they call it 'wild' but there is nothing wild about carrying a duvet and a case of beer from a transit.
 

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I have the good fortune to live on the north coast of Scotland. Sadly some tw4t decided it would be a good idea to call the roads around the north coast the North Coast 500 and every dirty bastard from Inverness to Lands End now feels the need to drive around it (usually at either 90mph or 9mph) and camp out of cars in lay bys. Either that or higher a campervan and then find the toilet is full after two days but there is nowhere to empty it. The result is that every lay by with a bit of cover from Applecross to Durness to Wick to Alness has human **** in it. The lock down has been bliss and the place is quite clean at the moment but in a few weeks it will be a mess again, it's started already.
Don't get me started on those ****s on bicycles, especially the mass organised roadside pissing and shitting cycle rides.

People just can't respect anything.


Andy
 

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I don't think people that think about doing the north coast 500 think a whole lot on the toilet situation, maybe the promoters could point it out.
 

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I don't think people that think about doing the north coast 500 think a whole lot on the toilet situation, maybe the promoters could point it out.
Thats a comment that could be aimed at any "named tour", be it the West Highland way, John Muir way, Pennine way, or whatever.
No one thinking of doing these routes on foot, or by car, actually plans toilet stops!
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Welcome to my world...
I have the good fortune to live on the north coast of Scotland. Sadly some tw4t decided it would be a good idea to call the roads around the north coast the North Coast 500 and every dirty bastard from Inverness to Lands End now feels the need to drive around it (usually at either 90mph or 9mph) and camp out of cars in lay bys. Either that or higher a campervan and then find the toilet is full after two days but there is nowhere to empty it. The result is that every lay by with a bit of cover from Applecross to Durness to Wick to Alness has human **** in it. The lock down has been bliss and the place is quite clean at the moment but in a few weeks it will be a mess again, it's started already.
Don't get me started on those ****s on bicycles, especially the mass organised roadside pissing and shitting cycle rides.

People just can't respect anything.


Andy
Do I get a vague impression you are not very keen on the NC 500 or cyclists?
 

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I really should add that I am acutely aware that to Derek, Andy and the rest of the guys that live up here, I am one of these dam tourists, albeit a frequent one, but be assured any rubbish (I don't seem to generate much, I don't know how some manage it) comes back to the bin and I don't spend long clogging your roads up 😁

...... And I don't even own a bicycle.... Or any lycra clothing 👍
 

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Yer taking it a bit personal Scott, unfortunately you are getting lumped in with all the other Bonglies , it's a case of not wearing that particular hat, one of our local campsite owners made a comment about visitors, they bring every thing with them and only leave their SH1T,the guy who named it the North Coast 500 was a marketing guru, he took something that had existed as long as the road, and re-named it and it was a seller, there are people who love it and people who hate it, I don't like the fact that it now a race, I have heard people saying "Oh! how long did it take you?" we get Motor bikes now in the Hundreds , seeing how quickly they can do it, it's the Mille Miglia of the north now and we are stuck with it, from a purely selfish point of view , it's the worst thing that has happened here since 1959 when I moved here,but that's just me,sorry I meant 1969 my bad, easker1
 
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Thats a comment that could be aimed at any "named tour", be it the West Highland way, John Muir way, Pennine way, or whatever.
No one thinking of doing these routes on foot, or by car, actually plans toilet stops!
regards
Bert
In fairness, I don't generally "plan" toilet stops - when I need to go, I need to go. There's nothing necessarily wrong with pee-ing or, indeed, poo-ing outdoors as long as it is done in a way that respects the environment and other people. I believe OH wild camps so maybe he can fill us in on his wild toilet habits o_O

The problem is when places get too crowded and too many people do it.

I have also heard it said that some people like to have sex al fresco o_O . We were once at a dinner party where a drunk lady announced she had fantastic nookie with her husband when they were younger in the New Forest. He said he could not remember. Perish the thought, reminds me of that scene from the Singing Detective. I hope the cold, damp and midges put paid to that sort of thing in the Highlands? :ROFLMAO:

I had to laugh at Laxdale's post above. I am an eco warrior and generally anti-flying but I'm beginning to question that if it means "they" all stay here! :rolleyes:
 

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You are far from alone in those thoughts Derek. I don't hear much support for the 500 brand from any of the residents that I know.
The worst part has to be the campervans. They are a nightmare, some of them are neatly articulated, and the muppets think they are acceptable on single track roads 😠
 

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You are far from alone in those thoughts Derek. I don't hear much support for the 500 brand from any of the residents that I know.
The worst part has to be the campervans. They are a nightmare, some of them are neatly articulated, and the muppets think they are acceptable on single track roads 😠
Hotels, B&B's holiday homes and breakdown mechanics are really happy with it. The highland council just needs to find a way of taxing the bloody thing so they do not have to close the toilets and can offer a few more facilities.
No point in moaning about what was - even if a bloody motor home pulls out on you at Georgemas last Friday without looking! :)
 

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don't forget the state of the roads, moaning is allowed , I think this was promoted with out any real consultation, as an aside I went out to the front before to find an empty poly bag it turned out to be a washable face mask bag , just dumped in the last hour or so, I put it in my bin, it is people that do this and usually visitors, what ever any one says, easker1
 

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Consultation did take place in a fashion. However it did have a tourism bias, so you would not be surprised with the result. We cannot put it back in the box so we need to figure out a way to make it pay, to fix the roads, open toilets and sort out the litter. Toll road?
Moaning is useful if we put our MSP or MP under pressure.
 

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Another factor may be people not picking up other people's dropped litter owing to the pandemic. I often used to pick up bottles, cans, etc and deposit them in bins but I'm not at the moment for obvious reasons.
 
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remember what happened to the tolls on the Skye Bridge?and it doesn't need to be back in the box it was the same tourist route before some one decided it needed a name,easker1
 
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