Griffiths Gnat & Renegade dry flies or not

rabmax

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Dry flies that work just as good or better bellow the surface.The Griffiths Gnat & the Renegade are two.I have kind of been neglecting the brilliant Griffiths Gnat for years.But finally managed to buy some midge saddles a while back.So easy now tying small gnats with the midge saddles.Seems a bit strange but both flies are deadly fished as wet flies i find.Split shot or a few with tungsten beads they catch well.20200412_143522.jpg20200412_115723.jpg
 

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It's the krystal flash Rab. I tied a parachute dry using a few strands of krystal for the hackle post. It got sucked under by water turbulence and a trout went for it, I missed that one. I went on to catch 3 browns with letting it sink. It still caught as a dry.
 

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It's the krystal flash Rab. I tied a parachute dry using a few strands of krystal for the hackle post. It got sucked under by water turbulence and a trout went for it, I missed that one. I went on to catch 3 browns with letting it sink. It still caught as a dry.
Not really the crystal flash.I don't usually use crystal flash.The original Renegade is gold tinsel at the rear.I do various hot orange"chartreuse 'gold & crystal flash.Probably chartreuse is the best producer over all. The renegade is my best grayling fly especially when small 18-22.Theres a similar pattern called a grey ugly similar to a Griffiths Gnat has worked great for me in the past also.Fran Betters snowshoe usual is another one i find deadly when you fish it wet.Not sure what they take a Griffiths Gnat for bellow the surface. But it's small & dark & has peacock herl.
 

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Anything with peacock herl is good and combined with black, deadly.
Beetles maybe but peacock herl makes flies look alive.

Ali
 

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I do find the Renegade shines in slightly off colour water after rain.Think this is maybe as the white hackle is very visible to fish.Maybe something similar to the white biots on a Prince Nymph.I find a white weenie or white mop fly deadly in off colour water too.
 

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I do agree that the Renegade fishes well dry and retrieved wet. Have never seen a Renegade with a tail before. I occasionally tie Griffiths Gnats with an antron or similar tail and call that a trailing shuck. I find those fish better dry drifted.

A much older gentleman I meet occasionally on the streams ties and successfully fishes only one fly. The Renegade. He calls it The Orangutan and I have too much respect for his quiet, determined strength to correct him.
 

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Yes it should be gold tinsel round the bend.It catches so well that the tinsel gets shreded fast.I use various gold crystal flash' glo-brite hot orange or chartreuse floss tags/tailProbably the best producer is chartreuse.Also like having some with silver tungsten beads.Dead drifted swung or stripped & can all work.Have fished a pattern before called a Grey Ugly.Similar to a Griffiths Gnat that works good too.A double badger is a good dry fly.Never tried it but imagine it would work well as a wet too.
 
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