Harlaw reservoir, campers and litterbugs

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Has anyone been to harlaw reservoir recently, its been packed with campers and people out on picnics. I was fishing on Saturday and as the day went on I was walking past smoldering fires and litter everywhere. I spoke with the bayliff and he had caught 9 different people poaching when he arrived and asked them to leave. I appreciate the weather is nice and people will try to camp but is there any need to throw beer can and bottles into the water, moreover, there was a fair amount of tree damage for fire wood, is this being monitored. I fear the place is going down hill, it used to be a peaceful place to fish now it feels like a spannish resort.
 

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Not surprised to read what you write, In the Net. Harlaw is indeed a beautiful spot but the Scottish attitude to litter is utterly shameful. You need not look any further than the verges of the M8 or the Edinburgh city by-pass. I think that we need to get the schools to inculcate into our children a sense of civic responsibility about litter. Children are very receptive to messaging and have few inhibitions about shaming their parents. One thing is for sure - Nicola will do nothing about it because she depends on the votes of the morons who despoil our countryside.
 

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Has anyone been to harlaw reservoir recently, its been packed with campers and people out on picnics. I was fishing on Saturday and as the day went on I was walking past smoldering fires and litter everywhere. I spoke with the bayliff and he had caught 9 different people poaching when he arrived and asked them to leave. I appreciate the weather is nice and people will try to camp but is there any need to throw beer can and bottles into the water, moreover, there was a fair amount of tree damage for fire wood, is this being monitored. I fear the place is going down hill, it used to be a peaceful place to fish now it feels like a spannish resort.
Sad to see..
 

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That's a sad reflection on how things change. Harlow was a really pleasant (if sometimes freezing and windswept) fishery when i used to fish there, 35 years ago :). Used to get a bus to balerno, buy a day ticket at the newsagents, then walk up the hill for a day of peace, with the curlews and peewits for company. I guess there were no disposable barbecues and fewer single use plastic items back then.
 

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A sad reflection on today's society, they just don't care!
The trash left at some beauty spots is unbelievable, not just single use plastic but cool boxes. How much for a cool box these days? They must have more money than sense. :mad:
 

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Look at the pictures of the Jurrasic coast,or the sea front between clevelys and Fleetwood po r Cumbria .the English are just plain filthy
 

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Has anyone been to harlaw reservoir recently, its been packed with campers and people out on picnics. I was fishing on Saturday and as the day went on I was walking past smoldering fires and litter everywhere. I spoke with the bayliff and he had caught 9 different people poaching when he arrived and asked them to leave. I appreciate the weather is nice and people will try to camp but is there any need to throw beer can and bottles into the water, moreover, there was a fair amount of tree damage for fire wood, is this being monitored. I fear the place is going down hill, it used to be a peaceful place to fish now it feels like a spannish resort.
Hi Mate, I am a member and former bailiff on Harlaw and thriepmuir. You are spot on, I fished Friday and yesterday and it’s ridiculous the amount of non anglers making a mess. The park rangers do monitor the tree damage and fires are not actually allowed when the signs are up informing of dry conditions (which they are). Unfortunately our club only have a certain amount of sway as the reservoirs are in the national park, although we are the only ones who pay to use it. We can move on poachers and report them to police and we can attempt to deter underage drinking etc but we have no real powers, only police contact.

To be fair to the park rangers they do a great job but I think just now the novelty of the sunny weather, a tad more freedom and leisure facilities being closed, people are turning up in droves to “relax” by the water.

I share your fears, these reservoirs are my home waters and the last couple of years have been tough to say the least. I really hope we survive this and get our proper chance next season. That being said the club is doing what we can to keep up the fishing and there are stockings of quality fish every month.

Hopefully the nitwits get bored soon with the heatwave coming to an end and we can get back to our peaceful surroundings.

Scott
 

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Has anyone been to harlaw reservoir recently, its been packed with campers and people out on picnics. I was fishing on Saturday and as the day went on I was walking past smoldering fires and litter everywhere. I spoke with the bayliff and he had caught 9 different people poaching when he arrived and asked them to leave. I appreciate the weather is nice and people will try to camp but is there any need to throw beer can and bottles into the water, moreover, there was a fair amount of tree damage for fire wood, is this being monitored. I fear the place is going down hill, it used to be a peaceful place to fish now it feels like a spannish resort.
Just a follow up on the current action being taking to tackle poaching at harlaw reservoir. Permission has been granted to season permit holders and members to start fishing at 6am in order to deter poachers, bayliffs will be allowed from daybreak. I'm sure many loyal anglers are grateful to have the management team we have up there putting these actions into place. The results will hopefully mean we can hook up more often and have peace of mind that the water has no pollution from power bait and rubbish they leave behind. Well done and keep fighting the good fight.
 

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Just a follow up on the current action being taking to tackle poaching at harlaw reservoir. Permission has been granted to season permit holders and members to start fishing at 6am in order to deter poachers, bayliffs will be allowed from daybreak. I'm sure many loyal anglers are grateful to have the management team we have up there putting these actions into place. The results will hopefully mean we can hook up more often and have peace of mind that the water has no pollution from power bait and rubbish they leave behind. Well done and keep fighting the good fight.
 

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Unfortunately things are still not how they were, Harlaw was in the evening news today.
It really is a poor attitude from people who are neglecting the place, and I have no doubt the anglers will be the ones who will suffer as a result, the article highlights issues such as parking being advertised as free on social media sites, and the reservoir being a great place for wild camping, also issues regarding it as a health and safety hazard in regards to swimmers and people on inflatables. No doubt there will be a parking charge implemented to further deter campers at some point , if so it may mean we as anglers may be collateral damage and fall victim to these charges. I can only hope another month down the line there will be more people back to work.
 

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People camping, they buy a tent, remortgage the house and buy a camper/ motor home and live their lives, accountable to no man.
Noise, Rubbish, Pollution ..... I pay my taxes let; SOMEONE ELSE CLEAR IT UP
Rules? unspoken laws ..... I am out to enjoy myself so, pluck doodle.
 

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Another resevoir near Edinburgh. I saw some pictures on social media, it may even have caught the attention of the Edinburgh Evening News.
Fires left unattended after being started at the base of trees. Bottles, tins, tents and human waste left littered around the resevoir. This is fairly rural setting being 15 to 20 or so miles from the city. Local residents are few but they have reported the problem to the police because they are hesitant to confront the perpetrators. This is littering on a grand scale and should really be termed as criminal damage but unfortunately our police are overstretched and do not have the resources.
In the same way that our parking attendants in the city are employed by private companies and the tickets they issue fund thier wages as well as controlling unruly parking could we not employ wildlife wardens in the same way? Current activities of those who spoil our countryside are probably on an enhanced scale at this moment in time but be assured that these spoilers have been messing places up for years prior to the pandemic and will continue to do so after it's gone (hopefully). There will be no stopping these activities unless there is some kind of enforcement.
 

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Another resevoir near Edinburgh. I saw some pictures on social media, it may even have caught the attention of the Edinburgh Evening News.

In the same way that our parking attendants in the city are employed by private companies and the tickets they issue fund thier wages as well as controlling unruly parking could we not employ wildlife wardens in the same way? Current activities of those who spoil our countryside are probably on an enhanced scale at this moment in time but be assured that these spoilers have been messing places up for years prior to the pandemic and will continue to do so after it's gone (hopefully). There will be no stopping these activities unless there is some kind of enforcement.
It is not I disagree with you, but the problem with this approach is that the offenders are often in large groups and aggressive when their "rights" to do as they please are questioned. I would not like to be the civilian warden who had to confront them.
There are lots of complaints from residents on the West Coast about similar behaviour that has been reported in the local press. The problem is so widespread that it needs a national effort to tackle it.
 

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Its some time ago but there used to be a problem with out of car campers around the Trossachs, I was fishing through one of the car park/camp areas and came across three young guys bait fishing and another aimlessly hacking at a tree with a knife, all had had a skinful, spoke to them for a bit but they were not for taking me seriously, moments later a park warden came along, and they took him very much less seriously, he was unbelievably patient and when he left them I had a word, he said that it had been dealt with, the same guy was still hacking on the tree and so on, as we spoke a traffic police car glided silently past and right alongside the tree hacker, in about 3 seconds he was in the back of the police car, the warden just pointed to the camera on his chest.

There are idiots and neds everywhere, the weather brings them out, its the British way.
 

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There are indeed idiots everywhere, I do not disagree.
In Edinburgh, and I suspect elsewhere, we also have litter wardens and they can issue ''on the spot fines''. I'm not absolutely sure who employs them but I suspect that it may be a private company on behalf of our council. Again, I suspect the fines from the fag end flickers and general litterers help pay thier salary. They pair up and for the reason that they are able to corroborate that an offence or bye law has been broken.
I would never expect that a single warden would challenge or attempt to fine a large..or even small group of mess makers.
I would even expect a pair of wardens to exercise caution in such circumstances but maybe they could take some pictures as evidence of wrongdoing with possibly a faster track to Police Scotland's wildlife division.
 

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There are indeed idiots everywhere, I do not disagree.
In Edinburgh, and I suspect elsewhere, we also have litter wardens and they can issue ''on the spot fines''. I'm not absolutely sure who employs them but I suspect that it may be a private company on behalf of our council. Again, I suspect the fines from the fag end flickers and general litterers help pay thier salary. They pair up and for the reason that they are able to corroborate that an offence or bye law has been broken.
I would never expect that a single warden would challenge or attempt to fine a large..or even small group of mess makers.
I would even expect a pair of wardens to exercise caution in such circumstances but maybe they could take some pictures as evidence of wrongdoing with possibly a faster track to Police Scotland's wildlife division.
The one I mentioned was a Loch Lomand and Trossachs park ranger, they operate alone but have a police car patrolling the vicinity that they can call in within minutes, which they do as soon as the have camera footage of anyone not heeding a warning, he had recorded telling doughheed to stop damaging the tree and filmed him doing it, and he was off to talk to me then someone else before the police even arrived at dougheed, just a patient nice guy wandering along chatting to people and reminding the idiots that there is a police presence, any back chat and he just needs to press the radio.
 
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