Hucho Hucho, where to go ?

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Hi guys,
I'm quite tempted for one trip based on a trophy Hucho Hucho !!!
Someone got good contacts...? Experiences...? Advises...?
Thanks in advance
 

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Hi guys,
I'm quite tempted for one trip based on a trophy Hucho Hucho !!!
Someone got good contacts...? Experiences...? Advises...?
Thanks in advance
A trophy hucho hucho just like that?:) I will put it like this. If you are after the real deal, not some stocked aquarium, there is not a single soule on this planet, that could put any warranty on trophy hucho. One can always get lucky, but otherwise, if they decide they are not gonna cooperate on that day, you can have a bunch of big ones in there and you are not going to get a single bite. Big huchos are in all waters that hold huchos.

Actually i am about to make a post about one option for hucho fishing, it should be on in an hour or so.

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cul de canard

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Dis i say something about just like that ???? Or warranty ????
I'm looking for someone who's got experiences to share...
Have you got ????
 

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Dis i say something about just like that ???? Or warranty ????
I'm looking for someone who's got experiences to share...
Have you got ????[/QUOTE

I did not mean it in a bad way:)

In Slovenia, you have plenty of options for hucho fishing. One, DIY is described by me in another topic. Or plenty of other sections run by some other clubs, but there you will have to have an escort. Some clubs will provide that in others you have to know someone from the club or pay a guide. You coudl also try Austria, Bosnia etc.

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A few quick details for some waters in Slovenia, this shall be going downstream:

A part of Sava Bohinjka run by Fisheries Research Institute of Slovenia, two anglers rule.

Fishing club Bled...escort

Fishing club Radovljica...escort

Those above are also the ones, foreign anglers are normally taken to by guides.

Fishing club Tržič...escort, nice section, but you need a local guy to show you approaches

downstream from here, you have strong populations of white fish like nose carps/chubs/barbel

Fishing club Kranj...described in another topic

Fishing club Medvode...they organize an escort for you, normally a baliff, cheaper from hiring a guide...in this water the biggest hucho in Slovenia was cought

Fishing club Straža Sava...same as for Medvode

Lower part of Sava run by Fisheries Research Institute of Slovenia, same manager but different story, this is the core of original hucho distribution, i like this section a lot, it is divided into 3 beats, my favorite is C. Two anglers rule (can be two from UK), the water here is of course much bigger than in section at the start

huchos are also present below that section, but i never fished there.

Kolpa

You can fish alone, very nice scenery, but it is on Croatian border and hiring a car and finding a place to stay close to the river is best.

You also have other waters like Krka, Savinja, Ljubljanica, Sora etc. which also have hucho.

So there are plenty of options, plenty of different waters, different managing policies, diffrent stocking polices, diffrent intensities of stocking etc.

Btw. I noticed that one page created by guides states, that two anglers fishing is demanded by law. This is not true, but as said, most clubs are keeping this legacy from communist times. Before WW 2, anglers in Slovenia were allowed to fish for hucho alone, as they are now, unless of course, the club makes the rules, demanding it. Nowdays you can do it on your own in section of Sava run by fishing club Kranj and in section of Kolpa managed by Fishing club Kocevje.

Next option is the system used by Fisheries Research Institute of Slovenia, where two anglers from UK can buy licenses and fish on their own, another option is escort organied by fishing club like in cases of Medvode or Straza Sava, which is cheaper than hiring a guide and in the end, unless you have a friend who is a member of a certain club, whose water would you like to fish, you will have to hire a professional guide, which is the most expensive option, but if you are after a guided trip, this is the best option.

So if you would go for hucho in Slovenia, there are several things you have to decide first:

-are you just after hucho, or does a location and historical distribution also have a meaning for you
-would you like to fish alone or would you like to hire a guide
-big or small water, fast and deep or shallower and easier to fish etc.

In any case bring plenty of streamers and something to resharpen the hooks. Attrition rates of your streamer collection can be very high.

Always check the rules of the local club, as they can differ from one to another. open season given by legislation is from 1st of October till 14th of February, but clubs have the right to open their water later.

BlueOne
 

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River Sana,Place Kljuc,Revir Zmajevac.

River Una,Place Bosanska Krupa,Revir Una.

River Drina,larger settlements: Bratunac-Fakovici-Skelani.
No revir field length about 40Km,Big river bigest Huco Huco!And very hard for FF!

River Vrbas,Place Banja Luka,no revir.

Like many other small water tributaries of these waters.
 

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My last fishing trip for Hucho (Huchen) dates back to February 2011. It was in Slovenia on the Sava. I was accompanied by guides, which is the rule if you are a tourist angler who wants to go fishing for Hucho.

The guide is there to escort you, to help you and to rescue you if necessary (from the ice cold water). And very important: they know the complicated local rules. My guides for those 3 days were:
- Jure Višnar
- Aljoša
- Emil Pintar

They are from the fishing club of Bled and you can easily find / contact Jure and Emil on Facebook.

May I remind you that fly-fishing for Hucho in Slovenia is more like "fly-spinning"? These large trout live in the cold, fast flowing waters and stick to the bottom. Your fly will be a big streamer. A very big streamer. With a lead head between 15 and 30 grams. It is the imitation of a small trout or sculpin.

It is almost impossible to make false casts with such a fly. And you will need a stiff #10 or #12 rod for it.

The best period is morning or evening when it's dark.



above = Aljoša



above = Jure



above = Emil
 

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... I was accompanied by guides, which is the rule if you are a tourist angler who wants to go fishing for Hucho.

The guide is there to escort you, to help you and to rescue you if necessary (from the ice cold water). And very important: they know the complicated local rules....

...May I remind you that fly-fishing for Hucho in Slovenia is more like "fly-spinning"? These large trout live in the cold, fast flowing waters and stick to the bottom. Your fly will be a big streamer. A very big streamer. With a lead head between 15 and 30 grams. It is the imitation of a small trout or sculpin.

It is almost impossible to make false casts with such a fly. And you will need a stiff #10 or #12 rod for it.

The best period is morning or evening when it's dark.
Hello,

Just to make a few corrections:

If you need a guide or not, depends on the club that is managing the section you are fishing in.

On the section of river Sava managed by fishing club Kranj and in the section of Kolpa managed by fishing club Kočevje, you can fish alone, withouth any escort or guide, all you need is a valid fishing licence and a tackle that corresponds to the rules.

In some sections, like lower part of Sava managed by Fisheries institute and the part above which they have, you need two anglers, so basically it can be two foreigners that purchase licenses and fish together.

In some sections, you must be escorted by a member of the local club. Which is free if you know someone, and some clubs have organised escorts which is still cheaper than professional guide.

And in some clubs you do not have an option to have this sort of escort organised by a club (together with ticket and escort it was somewhere around 50-60 EUR/per day a few years ago in Medvode/Straza Sava sections) so you have to hire a guide which is the most expensive option. Of course you can also hire a guide if you feel you would need his/hers local expertise or knowledge.

Regarding flies, you actually need both. Normal streamers and so called jig-flies. Although waters are fast and deep you have calm sections plus some areas are best fished with normal streamer. So you have to be flexible to be able to exploit all places to the maximum.

Also, flies represent many things, sculpin or bullhead flies are direct descendant from spinning world as sponge sculpins are very popular hucho lures. Of course there is almost as many versions and materials used, as there are fly tiers among hucho anglers. Also flies that mimic a bunch of lampries are developed and used becouse cof, which is the most known and still widely used hucho lure in spin fishing world, is an imitation of spawning lampries and it works. The last hucho cought by Emil still has a classical cof in it. In the old days, cofs were made with real lampries nowdays we use artificial substitutes. However dedicated streamers for flyrods imitating lampries were developed. Than you have chub/nose carp imitations as those are often on the menu of hucho.

Same goes for flyrods. DH or singlehanded? It is same as with flies, both have their time and place, depending on the places you wanna fish, water level, coloration of water etc. DH for example is great for normal streamers and casting with those as you use both hands and with big streamers this is a huge benefit when overhead casting. However DH can be a problem when you are trying to land a bigger hucho on some places as it basically becomes a very long spaghetti when hucho is near you.

Here are a few photos of fish from same water/section (Sava managed by fishing club Kranj) to illustrate this.

This for example is a hucho cought a few weeks ago with DH rod and overhead normal casting with big streamer that is (in theory) a nose carp imitation. I said in theory as only hucho knows what it ment to it.




This one from a good week ago was cought again with DH rod but in this case with a jig fly and "spin cast". Although it must be said that it is far way from spin fishing as flyline makes it much different from spin fishing, imposing both negative effects as well as giving you some advantages if you know how to use them.



This one from a couple of days ago was cought with singlehanded rod and jig fly as the location itself is too limiting for DH rod. Etc.



Regarding safety, this is an argument that is used, but does not hold water. Before WW 2, anglers in Slovenia were allowed to fish alone for hucho. After WW 2 in communist times this rule was imposed in the manner of time, that is, that everyone is suspicious, is trying to steal a fish etc. Lately it is trying to be preserved with "safety" argument, however the reality is, that when two anglers are fishing together (i am talking about us, locals, not a turist by whom a guide is all the time as it is his job), we are often fishing hundreds of meters apart and in most cases a partner would not even register if the other one went in. Also in places where it is really dangerous even if you would see it, you could not do anything about it in majority of cases. In dangerous places in our Sava, if you go in, water shall take you away before i can do anything even if i am standing a few meters from you but in reallity we fish spaced at much bigger distances. Which is logical as otherwise you would be interfering with each others fishing. Yes hucho fishing as any other fishing can be dangerous. But in the end, we are adults and should be responsible for our actions and safety. So yes, it is good to think about safety when you are hucho fishing or doing any kind of fishing for that matter, but your best protection is your own common sense.

In any case, hucho flyfishing is great fun and if you have a chance, give it a go. However, remember that hucho fishing is challenging and that huchos have a mind of their own. Lately there are some sections that are stocking huchos in big quantities, but true hucho fishing is a hard work and every hucho is won by a lot of hard work and fishing time.

BlueOne
 

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To elaborate more on what was said above and when to use DH, or single hand rod, jig fly or normal streamer, here is a 100 cm hucho from yesterday that i cought in Sava manged by fishing club Kranj. This one was cought with DH rod, normal streamer and overhead casting.



DH/single handed flyrod

So why DH rod? There was enough room so it could be used, when you do not have enough room, DH rod creates more problems than solutions. When you have enough room and you wish to used large streamers (this one took approx. 25cm streamer), DH rod is much more comfortable as you are actually using two hands which greatly reduces stress on your wrists and DH is also much longer which helps with mending of your streamer and line in water.

Normal streamer vs. jig fly.

The area that was fished was a side of a large pull on the edge between fast and slow water. You could cast there with jig fly, but there would be much higher danger of catching a rock on the bottom. On the other hand, when you have enough room for backcast with DH, you shall reach same distances with normal casting or normal streamer, but your control of streamer itself shall be much better than with jig fly. Water depth is about 1.5m and such shallow water combined with heavy jig fly on large distance is askig for trouble. Of course fo the given velocity of flow in that exact spot. If you woul have higher velocity of flow, conditions could be more in favor of jig fly even if all other factors would be the same.

And as there are many different types of positions and features in river, if you want to get the best out of them, you need both.

BlueOne
 

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And another example from last Saturday, this time i was using 10/11 DH rod with a jig although the primary goal was to search the water with normal streamers, but when you come to a location where you need a jig, you switch to it, or from jig to normal streamer. As in this case i had no intention to fish from confined spaces, DH was a logical selection and a jig just a solution for a few places. Same would happen if i would be fishing from confined spaces but again switching to normal streamer where conditions would demand so. While hucho fishing, you normaly only take one rod as it usualy involves a lot of moving along and inside river etc., you only take one rod and you make your decision on the prevailing method of fishing for the day.



PS:

I know i am repeating myself, but this is a nice example of what i said in several threads, there is much, much, much more to flyfishing in Slovenia, than just a several well know locations, for example, this place is 5min drive from the airport, where foreign anglers land and they go all over the place, not knowing a splendid hucho water was in fron of their nose...
 
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great fish BlueOne well done, i can recognize the place from the photo, back in the days i wasnt aware of hucho presence there.
 

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When I was in Croatia last year there were some big ones there on the Kupa river, they were down deep where the water was cold you could just see them laying there.
Croatia + Bosnia are 2 good places for them ( no disrespect to Slovenia ):thumbs:
 

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a couple of friends just returned from 3 days trip on Kupa - the water was looking good on the photos. They got one take followed by a distant release.
 

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You can fish Kupa or Kolpa as we call it from Slovenia or Croatia as it is a border river. It is only one of the few places in Slovenia, where you can fish alone for hucho.

Nymphist, this place (yellow powerplant on the other side of the river and art of the bank where two anglers are standing) is called "Majdič". You can also use it for this location, although this spot would normally be called "pod savskim mostom", literary under Sava bridge.

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BlueOne, my friend told me that they were/had to be accompanied by a croatian guide when they were fishing for hucho on Kupa/Kolpa.

I fished the same spot of your photo back at 2006 on my very first fishing day in your country. It should be Kokra river that flows at the yellow power plant? I may have to try Kokra, the plans are to visit Slovenia on April and on July, so I'll deside where to fish , hopefully no floods or stones falling from the sky:whistle:

Ha, "pod savskim mostom" sounds /almost/ the same as in Bulgarian:thumbs:
 
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The Dunajec River in Poland holds a good head of them as they are stocked in it to replace the Atlantic Salmon which died out in that region due to damming in the 20's.



I hooked one on a nymph by accident over the summer and it bent the hook straight in about 5 seconds. It jumped clean in the air when I hooked it (As long as my arm and still a baby my guide told me!) and proceeded to go down stream like a train.



At the end of the trip they took us to a local hatchery and I got a video of feeding time in the adult huchen pond! Bear in mind they are throwing in 8-10 inch roach to feed them!!!https://vimeo.com/117838441
 
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For huch hucho I will pick river Una in Bosnia before any other. It is pristine large river, a lot of space for casting and rich with all sort of fish and also big population of hucho hucho.
As top predator it will attack more likely large lure or streamer rather than a small one and going with fly rod demanding 13ft 10wt+
 

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Are these not the European type of the taimen (or vice versa?) In which case go to Mongolia. I managed to catch several there and am not a good angler. It was interesting to read what others said about their experience in Europe. Iwas told in Bosnia that it had become difficult to find hucho there.
 

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As said before check out Croatia on the Kupa river

Also you can stay and fish with Zac, what he does not know about Hucho Hucho is not worth talking about :thumbs:

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