Kamasan b175 s18

pati

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Hi

I love the B175 for my nymphs, perfect wire gauge perfect shape and length, very reliable... My issue is it is not available anywhere in size 18 and below :-(

Do you know anything that comes close to it?

Thanks
 

senegals

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How about Kamasan B160
"The Kamasan B160 is, bronze, heavy wire, forged 3x short shank. They have a wide gape and are suitable as buzzer, spider & nymph fly hooks."
Available down to a 16 definitely smaller than B175 16
 

raphael

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B160 does not exist in #18 (excepted I'm mislead).
You can have a try to B405, it is designed for sub surface patterns and there is #18 for that reference.

R
 

smallmouth

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When I fished matches, I used to use the standard eyed B911 a lot, when hair rigging for F1s and Carp.

I can't ever remember one failing and F1s are pretty lively, plus I had carp out to double figures on #18s and #16s.

Nevertheless, I doubt they're as strong as a B175. But there is an X Strong version of the eyed B911.

I'm thinking of trying the standard B911 in #16s & 18s as a spider hook, on account of them being barbless and straight eyed, but not being black nickel.
 

pati

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Thanks SM, not too sure what F1s are but still useful info. Don’t coarse fish have much softer mouth tissue than trout making hook failures somehow less likely? It s a genuine question, I know the brutish power of carps!

How are the B911 in terms of weight against same size b175, how about x strong b911?

Thanks!
 

smallmouth

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I've never used the X strong B911.

F1s are a deliberately bred hybrid between crucian and common carp, they get to around 5lbs or so.

I'd say carp have solid rubbery mouths, so once in, a hook tends to stay in.

For a shortish shank, heavy wire, #16 on the small side, you could look at a B130? It used to be sold by Drennan as "Traditional Wet Fly". It only goes down to #16, but I think it's a small #16.

Over the years I've tied some small bugs and nymphs on the B130 #16, to utilise the short shank and heavy wire, rather than having to apply too much bulk in the form of lead or bigger beads.
 

roger h 10

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Might be worthwhile lokking to see what Lucian's got at Troutline. He keeps a good selection of small hooks or there's always Tiemco 113 BLH.
 
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