The winging stage, especially when I've been practicing married wings is my nemesis.....Patience with these flies is key. I usually lose it at winging stage after I mess up my third pair of married wings
Please do, John!!"It's a madness, sheer madness" Understatement of all salmon tyers, & I do mean ALL ! Though maybe that's why we do it ?
Going from, trout to salmon, has a lot of transferable skills, as well as many new ones. Back in the day - say 50's the way people learned, was with a book at the side of the table & to repeat tie each section, until they got it exactly as the book said before going onto the next stgage. So it was not unusual to spend many weeks (often full time) at these stages. It taught one (not me b.t.w.) to get entirely repeatable results. The tyer's then very often had only gossamer silk, very limited tools & often NO vice or bobbin holder to work with, the flies were virtually all tied to fish with, so had to be durable as well.
With the on-set of the developments, especially on the tool front, it is possible to go from one style of pattern to another with comparative ease, though still best to take things in proggresive rtaher than giant steps;. Which you've done here so far, you will be able to see any unwanted issues that can occur between slightly different materials & their application, proportion, positioning etc.
Tying them should be a "fun" thing to enjoy, rather than a sprint to the finish, nobody can perfect every stage within days, it WILL take many months before anyone becomes a really good all rounder. Not least learning how to choose materials & these days substitutes !
After a while, you will develop your own style, obviously based on a combination of others, as there's only so much you can do with most materials, & how others you like utillize them. There are many dozens of top flight tyers around, & some specialize in specific sections of the fly, others have a more shotgun type of approach & try to do everything perfectly. Whatever route you choose to go down, I can suggest tyers in that genre that you might like to have a look at.
Hi Lewis,Well done, m r roid! My utterly uneducated eye prefers this second fly. I hope you return to re-view them in a few days as, in rod building, I find the closeness of recent events can colour my view of the result and a bit of time can give a different critical assessment.
As said above, you took on board the advice on No.1 and 'the whole' of No. 2 looks a better shape to me. I think the GP crests are a part of it - although they don't actually meet one can envisage where they would, while on No. 1 they would cross. I've no knowledge of Classic tying so maybe it is a non-point, just my own aesthetics.
If I may offer one small suggestion, your fly deserves a better, crisper photo!
Again, personal, but I think I prefer seeing the fly dead-level as in No.1 rather than slightly tilted, above. I do feel like a real sh1t just mentioning it but after the hours spent at the vice ..... you and the fly deserve the exposure.
Ma y thanks, John. Much appreciatedHave you checked out Fabri- site & tyhe flies, now a bit out of date but there are sections from it here https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&ei=LN9LXsS7CdCf1fAPwMOjyAU&q=fabrizio+gajardoni+flies&oq=fabrizio+gajaradoni&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i13i30l2.0.0..25518...1.0..0.128.128.0j1......0......gws-wiz.jxJftRR1q9w
& some of the friends of Ronn Lucas, like Dave Gotzmer http://ronnlucassr.com/
Some fbk pagesthat you might not know... Artistic Salmon Flies, Facebook - Classic Salmon Flies, Artistic Salmon Flies. https://www.facebook.com/groups/265622513498122/ .
Don’t give up on it Kevin. It’s a beautiful fly. Just take your time with it.I knew I was tempting fate by saying the Orange Parson was coming along nicely.....
It all turned to rats droppings last night so I stripped the hook bare and will start afresh...
I might try a Garibaldi instead of the Orange Parson. I love the look of the body on it
The one I was attempting was the first on the left of the 2nd row John.I was wondering, which version you chose, as there's lots here to put you off, at least at this stage http://atlanticsalmonflyguy.blogspot.com/2009/12/evolution-of-featherwinged-salmon-flies.html
& Here's a few Parsons, from one of my favourite tyers http://bsflyworks.blog72.fc2.com/category6-5.html (his other pages are at least as good !)