New world record Brown ? 46.9lb

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Here you go...

Think this was your trout skull, Jim?


I remember that one although I wasn't active on the forum at the time... I knew it was a trout because many years earlier when I was first on the forum I put up a photo of a salmon lower jaw in a similar state and everybody threw doubt on it because of the size of the teeth. Those of us who poke about on the rivers all winter are familiar with skulls like that. If I recall correctly Sandy (Fishtales) said the one above was a trout but everyone else no no it's an exotic tropical carnivor!

Anyway trouts have teeth!


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Here's an alternative to those videos of tropical fish tanks than you can get to put on your giant TV screen and save you from the expense of keeping tropical fish as a background wallpaper...

Twenty seven minutes of trout just being trout at night...


It was shot in several segments by Mark Hirst in November 2014. He was looking for someone to edit it together for him, which was how it ended up in my possession. It's not trying to show anything in particular. Just him going out at night with a GoPro on a stick and a torch to see what was in the river at that time. The answer was quite a lot. There are regular brownies there and some big old warhorses of ferox that look like they have gone 10 rounds with Mike Tyson. As it was November, it harks back to the discussion upthread about if and how ferox and regular browns avoid each other at breeding time.

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If I recall correctly Sandy (Fishtales) said the one above was a trout but everyone else no no it's an exotic tropical carnivor!

Ha-ha - that's right. I remember someone suggesting it was a snakehead! o_O

I hope Sandy claimed his £5. 😜

Another thing - brownies have much more substantial dentition than rainbows of a similar size.
 

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I didn't know about the Char in Merkland ( I've led a sheltered life) but My pal had a approx. 7lb brown from the west of the Cages, we thought this may have been a sub cage feeder, but now it may be a ferox, while I have caught fish round there and Graeme nothing really memorable for me, some nice days up at the Hydro Lochs, easker1
 

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I didn't know about the Char in Merkland ( I've led a sheltered life) but My pal had a approx. 7lb brown from the west of the Cages, we thought this may have been a sub cage feeder, but now it may be a ferox, while I have caught fish round there and Graeme nothing really memorable for me, some nice days up at the Hydro Lochs, easker1

I think there are char in Merkland, Derek - have it in my head anyway. There are ferox through the Shin/a' Ghriamma/Merkland system, though. Been some big ones taken on Shin over the years - mostly folk trolling though. Anything we get is on fly. I remember Martin who used to own the Overscaig telling us that often the biggest off the chain in a season came from the smallest of the 3, a' Ghriamma.

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Yes Col I have been broken a couple of times in the Griama outlet, easker1

We are talking 10 lb class fish there!

Going by the various papers I have been reading, it seems that where there are ferox there are either char or coregonids ('whitefish' such as powan and vendace). The ferox evolved to take advantage of them as their primary food source.

The story in Ireland seems to be one of char being outcompeted and displaced by invasive roach? So, the ferox there feed mostly on roach? Any of our Irish members throw light on this?

There is also talk of ferox in the waters of the Lake District - which would seem highly likely, given there are char there too. Anyone caught a Lake District ferox?

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those Vendace were taken from the Lake district ( Red Tarn ? ) and put in Loch Skene for survival, easker1
 

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Yes Col I have been broken a couple of times in the Griama outlet, easker1

By the way - top tip for avoiding being broken by ferox on the fly - from Mark Hirst...

Always fish with your rod tip high in the air. It gives you the cushion you need to absorb the initial wrench if you get one. Here's the man himself...



No guarantees, though. The biggest trout I have ever clapped eyes on was hooked by big Denis (the guy in the cammo gear in several of my photos upthread). We were fishing Arkaig, and Denis hooked a monster of a ferox, not far in front of the boat. The light was from behind us, and lit up the water in front to give us a perfect view. Arkaig is like polished gin, so everything was crystal clear. This fish must have been 20 lb if it was an ounce. o_O Denis had already landed fish of 6 lb 4 oz, 10 lb 12 oz and 11 lb 6 oz, that week, so he was not going to be easily shocked by now. But he just about shat himself... as did I. 🤪 "IT's HUGE!!!", shouts Denis. It was huge. I can confirm that. It was massive. It didn't break him on the initial take, but what it did next was shoot sideways across in front of the boat, so that it towed his fly line in an arc, putting pressure on the fly line against the water. It went off like an express train at full throttle and simply ripped Denis's cast off his fly line like cotton thread.

Not much you can do about those ones. It's still clear in my memory, 5 years on, and I am sure Denis will take it to his grave with him! 😜

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never heard about the Corregonids very rare in the Highlands ( Extra so), easker 1

I think the best-known example is of the ferox of Lomond feeding on the powan?

Other examples may have become extinct (one or other of ferox/coregonid) over the post-glacial period?

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Saw this on Facebook during a Windermere discussion, author said he fishes the drop offs with sinking lines and size 6-8 fish imitations, some trout!
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fishing with a mate at a local loch a couple of years back he fishes a 4wt, but he landed a Kelt salmon about 30lb with this and 6lb point, I always hold the rod up , it's my Technique after about 50 years of fishing, it's all I have easker1
 

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fishing with a mate at a local loch a couple of years back he fishes a 4wt, but he landed a Kelt salmon about 30lb with this and 6lb point, I always hold the rod up , it's my Technique after about 50 years of fishing, it's all I have easker1

I was struggling to get a loch salmon out and up from sulking under the boat last year. I was on a 7-weight and I was looking at the amount of bend in the rod and was worried the rod might snap. I had about as much bend in it that it was possible to put, given all the geometry of the angles and whatnot. The salmon finally came out and was netted. I thought, well why worry about going heavier than 6 lb Maxima, if the rod is likely to break before it does. It's just that initial shock from the take that you need to avoid. My own experiences with loch salmon is that they don't tend to wrench overly hard - it's either a slow take and turn a bit like on a river (so need to avoid pulling the fly out them), or it's just as if you have pulled your fly into a solid wall. 😜 I prefer the latter type. (y)

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Have a day off mate, people can theorise however they want, it’s a subject on a fishing forum, not a biology lecture. You’re obviously very clued up on the subject so fair play but you come across with an extremely condescending tone.
Surely he doesnt have to apologise for his intellect, or for stepping in . when his specialist subject area is being re-invented..
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Surely he doesnt have to apologise for his intellect, or for stepping in . when his specialist subject area is being re-invented..
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His posts were about as constructive as yours is now. Maybe offer a counter argument rather than being condescending. I’m all for someone with knowledge of the subject wading in if it’s actually beneficial. Obviously he’s as aware of the evolutionary path of brown trout as the rest of us, no one knows how they will diverge in the next million years and all of us will be long forgotten by then anyway.
 

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I was thinking more Lake Windermere. It has char in it. Where there are char there tends to be ferox...

Results of Googling..

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Col

No google, off the top of me noggin.
Ferox in Ennerdale, Wastwater, Windermere and Crummock and Thirlmere.

Used to fish Crummock a bit in my youth. Funnily enough we used to catch minnows by the boats to troll for trout, failing that we used spinners. Caught a few char on the spinners but no ferox. Not surprising really as Ron Greer states in his book that they only caught one ferox on small spinners; really need to use a lure that is bigger than 3 inches in his opinion.
 
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