19 Fut Sheelin
I have fished with what are now mistakenly called North Country Spiders for over 30 years on many of their ancestral rivers as well as further a field in both North & South America as well as Australia and New Zealand and can vow for there effectiveness on lakes and Stillwaters too. I have over many years tied flies for many clients all over the world via my old “Snipe and Purple” website. And have had many reports on there effectivness.
Mistakenly people refer to patterns like Partridge & Orange, Snipe & Purple and the like as SPIDERS, which in fact they are not. If you read all the traditional literature on these patterns the term spider does not occur. Spider was a term populated by Stewart to describe a few patterns tied by James Baillie of Scotland and not the traditional north of England patterns popularised by Pritt, Edmonds and Lee to name but a few. Unfortunately due to the ignorance of many of our famous self professed experts in magazines and on DVDs the term spider has been mistakenly used to describe the traditional wet fly patterns of northern England. In Scotland there is vast tradition of fishing spiders as well as traditional forms of wet fly like the Tweed, Clyde and Tummel patterns, are these Spiders ? Most assuredly NO!
It is a sad reflection on today’s anglers that they don’t know or investigate the history of the patterns and styles of patterns they use, if they did they would realise that most of what is spoken about North Country Spiders becomes complete bunkum due to the fact that their central starting premise the term “Spider” is wrong.
A Partridge & Orange isn't tied like a spider!!!!!OK, but if it is tied like a spider, looks like a spider and you fish it like a spider, I am happy to continue life in the land of ignorance. Furthermore, if asking a neighbouring angler what he is fishing and he answers 'spiders' I will be unlikely to quiz him further to acertain if he has a partridge and orange on his cast, and then go to the trouble of correcting him, if he has.
Also, not sure how sad of a refelection it is on todays experts this is (or on the everyday river angler for that matter) that this myth persists.
Yes I know that ! you stated that clearly in your post - thats where I found out from ! - you don't have to tell me again. I am merely pointing out that the fact that a partridge and orange is not a spider is not important to very very many more people than those who think that it is important.A Partridge & Orange isn't tied like a spider!!!!!
Your reply just highlights your total ignorance of fly tying in regards to the north country patterns and perpetuates it for others to copy.
Ian,Alternatively, go back to pedant's corner, with any likeminded individuals, and sit around and have a pint and plan how best to progress your ' freedom, rights and recognition for spider patterns' crusade.
Oh, and by the way, do you find that you have to clean door handles rather more often than is really necessary? Just wondering.
ooops - relax dude. Apart from the pedant's corner stuff, some valid points made in second post, which I stand byIan,
Your second post shows what a complete and utter ****** you are. Why don't you take your door handle and shove it right up your f**king A*se! Pr*ck.
Are you saying the Yellow Mayfly, Potomanthus luteus is not a species of mayfly?...................
PS Just a thought. Some people call all the ephemrid species, 'Mayflies' these days. Now I object to that, because a Mayfly is a very large aquatic insect, which emerges in May (and June, and Julyetc )
The March brown is a fairly large fly that we associate with March and April, in the main; the July dun is a very small epemerid that emerges in high summer; the August, or autumn, dun is bigger than March brown, but smaller than the true Mayfly. How can anyone justify calling these three flies, 'Mayflies'? If misuse of the term 'Spider' causes a 'hissy fit', misuse of 'Mayflies' ought to cause an even worse affliction.
By exactly the same token the P&O, S&P and Waterhen Bloa are "North Country Spiders" because (for example) Oliver Edwards (to mention just one person along with several hundred other mentions by posters in various posts on the forum have decided to call them such.The only flies definitively called spiders are Stewarts hackled flies, because he decided to call them spiders.
Hi MikeIf people don't want such information, or don't care about it, or consider it worthless, then why do those same people feel constrained to comment on it, and even abuse others who do find it interesting?
Nobody is being force fed here. Anything you don't like you can simply ignore.
It is a lot harder to ignore personal insults and slurs, which are the almost inevitable result of such comments.
Tight Lines! ~ Mike Connor
I've heard it several times and I believe I've seen it referenced in fly catalogs as "English-style" or the like. Don't worry, I don't think it's another vast American conspiracy to steal your fly fishing heritage.Grouse I do not know where you got that one from, Another inventing the wheel perchance. I correspond on a few American boards & I have never heard of North Country Flies called that.
Soft Hackles or even Flymph mistakingly but never "English Wetfly"
Every so often I run into another angler who uses them, but like fishing streamer patterns in the UK, it's pretty rare. At a guess, Roy, I'd say your buddies picked them up because they saw them in fly tying books and decided to try them? That's the common thread I've heard from those that I've met who do use them, that they picked up on the patterns from books and other sources. Maybe they are more commonly used back east as a regional pattern?Interestingly, my two 'murican buddies fish them almost exclusively on the PA and Maryland streams. Usually a team of three flies..heavyish nymph on the middle dropper, Spider on point and top.