River Lugg

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Unbelievable how out of touch some authorities are. Had many many happy days on the Lugg. Fortunately 20-30 miles upstream from there. Frightening stuff though.
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Just picked this up from another source. Not a river or area I know but it looks pretty alarming.

Looks pretty drastic in the raw like that.
Would be good to see same areas and banks next summer though.
From the views of photos there, looks like one bank only has been graded to alleviate flooding on adjacent fields, with opposite bank left open to accomodate bounce off.
Does not, from photos, look as if it has been turned into a canal as headline suggests. Indeed trees and shrubs are still apparent both banks (from photos)
Perhaps a bit of shock and horror at seeing bare ground straight after flood prevention work?
As said, would be very interesting to see same areas next summer.
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Looks pretty drastic in the raw like that.
Would be good to see same areas and banks next summer though.
From the views of photos there, looks like one bank only has been graded to alleviate flooding on adjacent fields, with opposite bank left open to accomodate bounce off.
Does not, from photos, look as if it has been turned into a canal as headline suggests. Indeed trees and shrubs are still apparent both banks (from photos)
Perhaps a bit of shock and horror at seeing bare ground straight after flood prevention work?
As said, would be very interesting to see same areas next summer.
Bert

Eh?
What is that going to prevent the flooding of? There are no built up flood banks just clean vegetation free slopes. If it is "designed" to do anything it is just to hurry the water on downstream and flood someone else. There is quite plainly sod all river edge cover left and probably a fair bit of instream cover has been ripped out. There won't be any extra silt going in off those bare banks over winter will there?

Does anyone know exactly where this is, it would be interesting to see some pictures of it before the "work". One picture is taken from a bridge so it should be possible to compare that from google street view.


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Perhaps a bit of shock and horror at seeing bare ground straight after flood prevention work?
As said, would be very interesting to see same areas next summer.
Bert
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Damage to the river bed and loss of invertebrate life will take a lot longer than a year to repair. This is deliberate and probably criminal. If so let's hope the consequences are punitive.
 

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Looks like this bit.

52°15'54.35" N 2°57'38.46" W Just South of Combe.

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As said, would be very interesting to see same areas next summer.
Bert

Do you have any expectation it will return to this in a year's time?

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"The destruction of the river and its banks, home to crayfish, otters and salmon, lampreys and dragonflies and some rare river wildlife, was a crime against nature, the chief executive of the Herefordshire Trust Helen Stace said.

“A large stretch of one of the UK’s most important rivers, the Lugg, has been devastated with dire consequences for wildlife and water quality downstream – this is a tragedy,” she said.


“The bankside trees are all grubbed out and burnt, the river gravels have been scraped away and the beautiful meanders of the river have been straightened and re-profiled."
 

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Damage to the river bed and loss of invertebrate life will take a lot longer than a year to repair. This is deliberate and probably criminal. If so let's hope the consequences are punitive.

Well, assuming this act is criminal it should not be too hard to track down those responsible. A 1.5 km stretch of river must lie on a significant land holding belonging to someone with cash to throw at some fairly significant "engineering" works. These works must have gone on over a few days I would have thought so I'm amazed the alarm was not raised before they were completed?

I have not followed Boris's new green vision for the UK post-Brexit closely, but this would appear to me to be exactly against any such principles. We need farming to be carried out in tune with nature moving forward post-CAP - anyone see the Simon Reeve Cornwall programmes highlighting such issues?
 

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Damage to the river bed and loss of invertebrate life will take a lot longer than a year to repair. This is deliberate and probably criminal. If so let's hope the consequences are punitive.

A few years ago I was a member of the Gamefishers and enjoyed fishing the Clun near Aston on Clun - just 20 odd miles from this 'incident'. On a section of the Clun, a riparian owner took a digger down a section, stripping the banks and levelling the bed. We reported our observations to the EA.

Don't hold your breath.
 

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Well, assuming this act is criminal it should not be too hard to track down those responsible. A 1.5 km stretch of river must lie on a significant land holding belonging to someone with cash to throw at some fairly significant "engineering" works. These works must have gone on over a few days I would have thought so I'm amazed the alarm was not raised before they were completed?

I have not followed Boris's new green vision for the UK post-Brexit closely, but this would appear to me to be exactly against any such principles. We need farming to be carried out in tune with nature moving forward post-CAP - anyone see the Simon Reeve Cornwall programmes highlighting such issues?

Unfortunately it’s pretty straight forward for a lot of farmers.... many of whom have old swing shovels or contacts they can borrow one from...
 

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I am disgusted by some views expressed.

It is illegal to remove any gravel after October without official approval and this is an area of SSSI!

The comment about it being 'one bank only has been graded to alleviate flooding on adjacent fields, with opposite bank left open to accommodate bounce off' is offensive. The destruction is almost a mile!

We need to know who is responsive and the full weight of the law needs to be engaged.

I have lost fishing on the Upper Teifi for the rest of my life due to polution, the Wye has turned green this year, control in Wales is grossly lacking and no river in England meets the EU standard.
Things need to change. Drastically.

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I am disgusted by some views expressed.

It is illegal to remove any gravel after October without official approval and this is an area of SSSI!

The comment about it being 'one bank only has been graded to alleviate flooding on adjacent fields, with opposite bank left open to accommodate bounce off' is offensive. The destruction is almost a mile!

We need to know who is responsive and the full weight of the law needs to be engaged.

I have lost fishing on the Upper Teifi for the rest of my life due to polution, the Wye has turned green this year, control in Wales is grossly lacking and no river in England meets the EU standard.
Things need to change. Drastically.

Rusty
Rusty you have forgotten that we no longer follow EU rules as we are not in it. So if river water quality does not meet EU standards blame the Brexit lot
 

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I am disgusted by some views expressed.

It is illegal to remove any gravel after October without official approval and this is an area of SSSI!

The comment about it being 'one bank only has been graded to alleviate flooding on adjacent fields, with opposite bank left open to accommodate bounce off' is offensive. The destruction is almost a mile!

We need to know who is responsive and the full weight of the law needs to be engaged.

I have lost fishing on the Upper Teifi for the rest of my life due to polution, the Wye has turned green this year, control in Wales is grossly lacking and no river in England meets the EU standard.
Things need to change. Drastically.

Rusty
Would have thought it pretty obvious whom carried out these works!
Will be the riparian owner of the river bank over said mile.
Indeed, will be up to said riparian owner to "manage" same river bank.
If works were to reduce flooding into surrounding fields, and adjacent properties, as pictured in the local press follow up photos, then in all likelyhood he/they have taken advice.
Not neccesarilly from the angling clubs. wildlife experts et al, but perhaps from flood prevention experts.
I have seen many, many miles of many, many rivers "landscaped" to prevent flooding, in ways way more horrendous than the photos seem to suggest.
Large embankments made, graded to rivers edge, with Tons and tons of boulders and concrete dumped and graded at river edge to prevent said floods.
In time they become "naturalised" whilst still preventing flooding over the area.
As before, would like to see pictures of same river bank next summer.
Sure mature trees wont be there, but new growth will be.
Thing about disturbing the soil to that level means dormant seeds become active, and regrowth appears very quickly.
Be as disgusted as you like over the short term appearance of same works, but next summer?
Bet newcommers to area would never know it happened, but local property owners will, and be glad.

Bert
 
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Would have thought it pretty obvious whom carried out these works!
Will be the riparian owner of the river bank over said mile.
Indeed, will be up to said riparian owner to "manage" same river bank.
If works were to reduce flooding into surrounding fields, and adjacent properties, as pictured in the local press follow up photos, then in all likelyhood he/they have taken advice.
Not neccesarilly from the angling clubs. wildlife experts et al, but perhaps from flood prevention experts.
I have seen many, many miles of many, many rivers "landscaped" to prevent flooding, in ways way more horrendous than the photos seem to suggest.
Large embankments made, graded to rivers edge, with Tons and tons of boulders and concrete dumped and graded at river edge to prevent said floods.
In time they become "naturalised" whilst still preventing flooding over the area.
As before, would like to see pictures of same river bank next summer.
Sure mature trees wont be there, but new growth will be.
Thing about disturbing the soil to that level means dormant seeds become active, and regrowth appears very quickly.
Be as disgusted as you like over the short term appearance of same works, but next summer?
Bet newcommers to area would never know it happened, but local property owners will, and be glad.

Bert

Sorry Bert, your wrong.Vandalism of a SSSI at it's worst. Criminal. needing prosecution.

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Would have thought it pretty obvious whom carried out these works!
Will be the riparian owner of the river bank over said mile.
Indeed, will be up to said riparian owner to "manage" same river bank.
If works were to reduce flooding into surrounding fields, and adjacent properties, as pictured in the local press follow up photos, then in all likelyhood he/they have taken advice.
Not neccesarilly from the angling clubs. wildlife experts et al, but perhaps from flood prevention experts.
I have seen many, many miles of many, many rivers "landscaped" to prevent flooding, in ways way more horrendous than the photos seem to suggest.
Large embankments made, graded to rivers edge, with Tons and tons of boulders and concrete dumped and graded at river edge to prevent said floods.
In time they become "naturalised" whilst still preventing flooding over the area.
As before, would like to see pictures of same river bank next summer.
Sure mature trees wont be there, but new growth will be.
Thing about disturbing the soil to that level means dormant seeds become active, and regrowth appears very quickly.
Be as disgusted as you like over the short term appearance of same works, but next summer?
Bet newcommers to area would never know it happened, but local property owners will, and be glad.

Bert

showing a severe lack of knowledge... yeah the grass will grow back...woohoo... depending how much of the bed he ruined that will take years and the trees????
digging out and straightening rivers belongs in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s...
if he had taken specialist advice they would have told h8m straight away that he couldn’t do the work... all works in river channels require a licence from EA, and a consent for works from NE if a SSSI.... seeing both EA and NE are reported as being on-site carrying out an investigation it seems ‘unlikely’ either licence was in place.... and just to are it easy for you to understand... NE don’t give consent for works of that nature on SSSI’s
 

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Sorry Bert, your wrong.Vandalism of a SSSI at it's worst. Criminal. needing prosecution.

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Jim
Ahhh, but do we really know the actual facts?
This is pre planned, extensive management of a riparian owners river bank, took days to do, not the odd hour here and there.
It has not been a spur of the moment operation.
Looks a bit like (on a far minor level) the flood prevention methods carried on on Tay, Dee, Nith, Annan, Tweed et al. Some of which, as you know, I have been involved in.
Lets see what comes out in the wash.
Sure, if its just some landowner making it easier for the cows to drink (extremely doubtful!) then prosecute, but there is a lot more to this one than meets the eye, or indeed the local naturalists viewpoints!

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showing a severe lack of knowledge... yeah the grass will grow back...woohoo... depending how much of the bed he ruined that will take years and the trees????
digging out and straightening rivers belongs in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s...
if he had taken specialist advice they would have told h8m straight away that he couldn’t do the work... all works in river channels require a licence from EA, and a consent for works from NE if a SSSI.... seeing both EA and NE are reported as being on-site carrying out an investigation it seems ‘unlikely’ either licence was in place.... and just to are it easy for you to understand... NE don’t give consent for works of that nature on SSSI’s
Severe lack of knowledge might actually end up the swansong of those with criticism of the works.
Wait till it has been properly investigated.
Woohoo, will be a lot more than grass that starts to grow back in the next year b.t.w.
And dont attack my knowledge of that type of work on riverbanks, you are out of your depth.
Pun intended.
Bert
 

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