Silk line problem

corto maltese

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I've got a Tenzio 4# wieght silk line that I have been using for two seasons now. I have always used the grease that came with it and have dressed it well. This year I built a drying rack for it, before it was just dried in a washing up bowl lined with paper towels.
It's gone really sticky.
So much so that on my first and only outing so far this season, it was hard to cast, I had the impression it was sticking in the guides. It's a new rod so I was a bit unsure and, due to the tightness of the stream, was only roll casting.
But this arvo I had a feel of the line on the drying rack and it's really tacky.
As I said, I've been using the dressing that came with the line applying it with a piece of chamois leather. The dressing tin is nearly empty so I will have to continue with red mucilin in the future.
What should I do ?
Is this normal ?
I'm inclined to run it through a dry piece of chamois leather a few times to try and take some of the dressing off, maybe I've over dressed it, I don't know.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated as I would like to get out and fish, with my new boo rod again on Monday morning.
I'm intending to try new water and a new technique, spiders, I've tied some during lock down but never fished spiders before and I might have found a wider piece of water than the canyon I usually fish to try up and across but a sticky line is going to make life hard.
Help !
 

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Sounds like overdressed to me🤔 . I still have half the tin with grease full that came with my Thebault natural silk fly line that is 11 years young. I always use my fingers to apply the dressing and always very lightly. When you apply more the line becomes heavier and i dont like heavy lines when i am fishing close ranges.
 

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If your dressing tin is empty after only two seasons of use you probably overdressed it, don't make it worse by using mucilin. I would immerse the line in handwarm (not boiling!) water with a bit of biodegradable washing liquid to make the grease runny again and try to squeeze it out with a dry cloth, no paper. Repeat if necessary until the tacky feel is gone and dry the line before treating it again with the original grease. If it is a line you had to grease to the core before use, I would not do it as thoroughly as the first time and only grease it lightly after use and the obligatory drying if it's sinking. It really doesn't need much to make it float again.
Alternatively you could iron the line on the lowest setting (wool, silk) between some layers of toilet paper (if you have enough) without having to froth it. Again, repeat the process if necessary with fresh paper, but don't rush it, these lines need a gentle and slow approach. Good luck!
 

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You’ve gone and overdone it David, I’d get some meths soak a piece of lint free cloth and pull it through a few times myself.
it soon evaporates being meths and once it feels dry to the touch leave it for a couple of days.
i don’t particularly like the dressings they supply with lines, Phoenix lines give you a tin of red mucilin.
i much prefer a light run over with that any day.
dont forget, you told me it was sweltering over there last week, that can make any dressings a bit tacky.?
S.
 

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I've just run the line through a soft, meths dipped cloth twice. A lot of grease appeared on the guideline of the reel on the way in which I have cleaned off. It's wound out again now and drying on the rack. If it's still tacky in a few days time should I do it again or will that risk damaging the line do you think ?
 

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Hi

I would contact Terenzio and ask for their advice just in case, but sounds like overdressing indeed.

You can use soapy water and clean the line thoroughly then rinse thoroughly as well (dip in clear water for a few minutes and gently stir), and then leave to dry for a few days. Once fully fully dry, dry again for a couple of days, and then only grease again gently and lightly.

In the worst case scenario, your line will need to be sent back to be fully stripped back down from all coating and then be coated again, but if there is a fee it will be far from the cost of a new line since the silk is there and the weaving job is done. If Terenzio doesn’t offer to do it, you can find recipes online to do it yourself. It d the same procedure used to restore vintage old silk lines.

Pat
 

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I've just run the line through a soft, meths dipped cloth twice. A lot of grease appeared on the guideline of the reel on the way in which I have cleaned off. It's wound out again now and drying on the rack. If it's still tacky in a few days time should I do it again or will that risk damaging the line do you think ?
Yes I would D, it need to feel not sticky before you retreat it.
S.
 

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Here is an update on my problem with my silk line.
I tried wiping it through a white spirit soaked cloth four times, each time it took off a layer of dressing but even after a weeks drying still felt sticky.
I have now soaked and wiped it twice in warm water and bicarbonate of soda.
The line is completely clean of all dressing and I'd drying as I type.
I am wondering now wether to soak it in linseed oil for a few days before redressing in mucilin or just redress it directly.
Any advice please ?
Thanks
 

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A friend was experimenting with his Terenzio on various floatants and one of them caused the linseed coating to get all tacky.
He had to redress it completely in the end.
Sounds the same for yours
 

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Corto, I have half a tin of Thébault grease left I don't use anymore. It's quite old but looks OK to me, some white dots I think due to the glycerine separating from the fatty acids. It only needs a stir up. If you would like to try it, PM me your address and I'll send it to you. You can treat the line with a small amount (!) of linseed oil before applying any grease but mucilin would be my last choice, really. And the drying time is paramount for the oil to be fully absorbed by the silk, so don't soak it or you'll get the same tackiness again after greasing. I think Thébault even uses vacuum treatments to speed up the impregnating process. I know it all sounds a bit complicated and far fetched, but these lines really need a considered treatment and they can easily be ruined when doing it wrong. Maybe you should contact them for some specialist's advice? The grease manufacturer for Thébault, Masseuil at 86190 Quinçay, even put a phone number on their tins, it's 05 49 60 46 24. Maybe they can help?
 

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Thanks for the advice L'homme and just in time, I thought I would check the forum first as I was on my way to the shed to soak the line !
I think I will run it through a linseed soaked cloth, let it dry, check it and repeat if necessary.
What do you think ?
 

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Thanks for the advice L'homme and just in time, I thought I would check the forum first as I was on my way to the shed to soak the line !
I think I will run it through a linseed soaked cloth, let it dry, check it and repeat if necessary.
What do you think ?
Be sure not to apply too much and let it dry out completely before putting a grease coating. I don't think you need to repeat the linseed oil treatment, once should be enough. Good luck and be patient.
 

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Go onto the Classic Fly Rod Forum (formerly Clark's). There are lots of posts about redressing silk fly lines. There's also an article about Silk lines written by Wolfram Schott which you can google and download.
 

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Corto, why don’t you call Terrenzio??? I would have them retreating the line if I were you...
 

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Yeh, I know, your right but I'm stuck at home with a busted rib and I like to do things myself that way I learn, even from my mistakes. If it doesn't work out then I will. I'm pretty sure I'm not doing anything that'll make it worse.
Thanks though 👍
 

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Yeh, I know, your right but I'm stuck at home with a busted rib and I like to do things myself that way I learn, even from my mistakes. If it doesn't work out then I will. I'm pretty sure I'm not doing anything that'll make it worse.
Thanks though 👍
Corto
Check out the Instagram feed of Ian Moxon. He's a guy up on the North of England who makes his own rods and silk lines. I see he's selling the lines on ebay. But he shows his setup which weaves the lines and also his linseed vacuum impregnator (a bottle with an air pump). May be worthwhile following him and dropping him a line.
 
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