sinking the tippet with pva?

[ed_t]

Has anyone tried copperslip? Swishing an insulator around in charged air could explain some atmospheric phenomena?

Also pondering powdering some rust to mix with fullers earth to add a bit of electro chemical activity.

 

[Cap'n Fishy]

Twice in my life, I have experienced the phenomenon of nylon leader floating above the water, due to static electricity. Both times there were "atmospherics" involved. Once was at Chew, when there was 'thunder and lightning' about. The other was at the Lake of Menteith, around the time of a heavy shower of large hailstones. We would cast out, and the fly line would land on the water, but the leader would hover a foot or so above the water for a few seconds, before lowering itself onto the water. Quite a spectacle to behold!

Col

 

[easker1]

Yes Col , but why is he trying to sink( Ah! I get it now sinking the cast and keep the fly up , My Bad)
just couldn't understand the Chemistry, easker1

 

[ed_t]

That floating above the water will be the extreme, but i suspect static charge will build up even in relatively benign conditions.

If you fill a kilner jar with rice out a plastic packet the last grains dance, stick and float in the bag.

Pumping low conductivity stuff through plastic hoses is another way to build up huge static charge.

Stroking a cat on a bone dry day is also exemplar: stroke, stroke, stroke, touch its nose, zap.

 

[kingf000]

Thinking back to years ago, dry flies had an up-turned eye. Was that to keep the last couple of inches of tippet off the water?

 

[speytime]

Speaking of static shocks, if i wear Wellingtons on the boat during certain weather I get zapped all frigging day long?

Presumably I'm isolated and the static charge gets to build to the point its bl00dy annoying when discharging, i never ever wore them again.

 

[ed_t]

Experiment with copperslip was interesting. Bulk paste density 1.15 but a thin smear and test nylon didn't want to sink. Needed a fair bit of persuasion but sank slightly faster than nylon once through the surface.

Got bored, went and did something more useful and 1/2 an hour later specimin was back on the surface.

Failed experiment for sinking the leader. Interesting possibilities for floating line and leader.

 

[kingf000]

Copper slip is "Copper grease is a specially formulated anti-seize compound manufactured by combining fine copper particles and high grade corrosion and oxidation inhibitors. The grease is created through a procedure that combines oil with soap." So contains a lot of oil. The soap will either wash away, or react with calcium in the water to deposit the scum on your line that you get round the bath if you live in a hard water area.

My experiments: I got polyvinyl alcohol (PVOH) to dissolve in water but adding IPA or acetone precipitated it. So still need an alternative to water. Don't fancy methanol as it makes you blind! I also tried dissolving solid polyvinyl acetate in toluene. After 4 days it was still stuck on the bottom! So again still looking for a more volatile slovent than water. I've gone back to making the PVA/Fullers earth paste, but now added a little glycerol to stop it from solidifying so quickly. Next time I'm out I'll compare it with the usual detergent/fullers earth/glycerol mud.

 

[ed_t]

Copper slip is "Copper grease is a specially formulated anti-seize compound manufactured by combining fine copper particles and high grade corrosion and oxidation inhibitors. The grease is created through a procedure that combines oil with soap." So contains a lot of oil. The soap will either wash away, or react with calcium in the water to deposit the scum on your line that you get round the bath if you live in a hard water area.

My experiments: I got polyvinyl alcohol (PVOH) to dissolve in water but adding IPA or acetone precipitated it. So still need an alternative to water. Don't fancy methanol as it makes you blind! I also tried dissolving solid polyvinyl acetate in toluene. After 4 days it was still stuck on the bottom! So again still looking for a more volatile slovent than water. I've gone back to making the PVA/Fullers earth paste, but now added a little glycerol to stop it from solidifying so quickly. Next time I'm out I'll compare it with the usual detergent/fullers earth/glycerol mud.

Yes. I've worked at a few world scale ammonia plants so know what copperslip contains and why alternatives are required.

I come back to surface electrochemistry. You might (probably) need a surface activation to allow bonding of the intended molecules to the leader and that probably needs a nasty activating solvent.

 

[kingf000]

Problem solved! I had trouble sinking my tippet so that it didn't pull the fly under. At least with fluorocarbon tippet I seemed to have solved the problem. Up to now I've been using either just knots or a very small micro ring. However, I've now been using the slightly larger small tippet ring. It seems that little extra weight, or maybe the larger diameter that maybe doesn't trap air, lets the tippet sink without pulling the fly under!

 

[Paul_B]

As I've said before I prefer to fish with one fly and with fluorocarbon leader and tippet, if there's no ripple I'll use a little buzzer on a dropper, this sinks the line while allowing the fly to float.

 

[kingf000]

As I've said before I prefer to fish with one fly and with fluorocarbon leader and tippet, if there's no ripple I'll use a little buzzer on a dropper, this sinks the line while allowing the fly to float.

OK, that is what I often do, though it may be a small PTN, but if the club rules say one fly only?