Stroft Tippet ?

bgooch

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Here's the other language from the Stroft 2020 Catalogue which I didn't include, but which is also relevant: "Measurement and production-related tolerance +0.000 mm up to 0.025 mm". So, I guess that means that it can be up to 0.025 mm larger in diameter than what's stated on the label and still be within tolerance specs.

BTW, I used the Davy Knot for my tippet-to-fly for years when I wanted a non-loop connection. But, mostly I prefer a loop connection to my fly. Also, when I switched to using Stroft, about 5 years ago, I found my Davy's didn't always hold in those situations that I wanted a non-loop connection, and the Davy was especially inconsistent with Fluorocarbon. So, I moved to using a Uni-knot for those situations where I want a non-loop connection to the fly (rarely) and no failures. So, no more Davy for me. Not knocking the Davy, just doesn't work for me now.

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Could the Davey knot be the source of the Stroft knotting enigma?

I think this Davey has a lot to answer for :whistle:
 

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As I said in an earlier post, I don't know, but there may be something about the surfaces on Stroft tippets that make them more selective to knots, and also why they definitely advise against wetting.

Stroft also does not recommend the Davy knot.

I know Davy Wotton and have fished with him in Arkansas. I'm sure he'd say his knot is 100% regardless of the tippet material, provided it is tied correctly. It sure works for him. But not for me. And, I know I'm tying it correctly. I recall (I didn't go back to the Tippet Shootout to confirm) that the folks at Yellowstone Angler advised against the Davy Knot. But, we all know folks who use it and rely on it with success. So, what the heck!!
 

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I use both FC and nylon. Start of the season and especially before a long trip I test the nylon. Two years ago I used a nylon tippet recommended by a forum member who I consider worth listening to. It worked well. Last season I tested it and it was shot, reassigned to duty as counter ribbing. Couldn't buy it when i needed to so I switched to Stroft GTM and it worked well. Just bought some ABR in the same breaking strain. Nylon has a finite working life and if you happen to get old stock it will be even more finite. Some bargain prices may reflect the age of the stock.

Never bother testing my spools of FC because it doesn't degrade. I have dodged the issues of knot selection and tying together with the softness of the angler's hand when playing fish. That's not to say they aren't part of the picture.;)

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And so it rumbles on.The ''acid test'' is what counts not messing about with micrometers and home testing apparatus. Arguing the toss in the face of sage like wisdom borne out of vast experience just really makes no sense.. To me anyway.

JP
As you say Al I totally disagree with your logic.I happen to believe micrometers and scales are not really suited to the tests described.The only test is fishing the tippet of the specification required and proving the worth thereof.Most of us can tell by feel, knotting and hand testing if a tippet has a chance of being suitable although have not needed to wonder about tippet for some time now but always ''hand test'' as Ohanzee mentioned purely out of habit I guess.My point is you are flying in the face of some very experienced fly fishers.Not one but several who have all the T-shirts and shed loads of practical.I note you like to have the last word so go right ahead.Feel free.Sorry but just irritates when folks sow the seeds of doubt based purely on their own often proven to be misguided experiences.It is the old adage which says everyone else surely cannot be wrong and you The only one who is right.

JP
I can't stand folk like you, I was simply explaining why I don't like it, you've spat your dummy out and tried to turn it into a right or wrong scenario 🤣 (sad person)
You've implied I'm flying in the face of vast experience because I don't like it htf is that flying in the face of experience.
You said scales and a micrometer are no good then say people select their tippet, wtf do they select it on, yes diameter, you said most people can tell by feel wtf are you on 😂
Your commitment about the last word says a lot about you, most were happy to discuss it.
I can't stand your type, boil yer head!
 

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Give three people a micrometer and get at least two different readings, especially on something soft and tapered. It is down to feel and experience. I use the feel and then the ratchet as a check or pass it to a fellow engineer and ask for their opinion, it saves errors.
 

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I've used Stroft GTM for years and my thoughts are that it's excellent. I use a tucked four turn blood knot to attach flies and a three turn water knot for droppers and never had any knot failures.
And what about the fly line connection what would you use there please
 

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And what about the fly line connection what would you use there please
I use a needle knot and the top 4ft of a 9ft, 5X tapered leader, to the end of which I add a tippet ring. I construct the remainder of the leader from there . . . such as 30" to top dropper, 48" to middle and 48" to the point - gives me 14.5ft as a standard leader.
 

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GTM for me.

I think you can still buy the tiny 25m spools but they are about the same price as 50m ones, bout a fiver.

Never had a knot issue that wasn't me with anything, test it by hand before putting it to a fish and learn to spot wind knots before fish do.
i find the 25m is best as its fits into the holders that stroft + it can go off are 2 + years losers its strength so better with the smaller ones ( just my thoughts )
 

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i find the 25m is best as its fits into the holders that stroft + it can go off are 2 + years losers its strength so better with the smaller ones ( just my thoughts )
How can you tell that it isn’t already two years old when you buy it...?
From the anglers pov I think there is a good case for a use by date on spools of nylon.I don’t think the retailers would like it though.
 

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When stored properly in dark place and no severe temperature fluctuations a nylon may hold its quality for many years. The last several fishing sessions along with the gtm stroft that i am using most of the time, l also fished a 10 years old rio powerflex that was as good as new.
 

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As I said in an earlier post, I don't know, but there may be something about the surfaces on Stroft tippets that make them more selective to knots, and also why they definitely advise against wetting.

Stroft also does not recommend the Davy knot.

I know Davy Wotton and have fished with him in Arkansas. I'm sure he'd say his knot is 100% regardless of the tippet material, provided it is tied correctly. It sure works for him. But not for me. And, I know I'm tying it correctly. I recall (I didn't go back to the Tippet Shootout to confirm) that the folks at Yellowstone Angler advised against the Davy Knot. But, we all know folks who use it and rely on it with success. So, what the heck!!
 

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It is crucial with the Davy Knot the tag end is set at 90 degrees as and when pulled up.Some folks use a double Davy knot to be on the safe side.Think I tend to use a double version on larger eyed hooks but mostly use the single with various tippet and it has held up.Like it because it is both quick,compact profile and suits the tippet diameters I use trout fishing on river or reservoir.

JP
 

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I've got some spools of nylon that are 10/12 years old, the last I tested them they were fine, I'd have no reservations about using them.
Another member deliberately left nylon in the sun for weeks 8 Iirc the bs was affected but not by the amount i expected.
I think if there stored correctly its fine.

Al
 

bgooch

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A couple of years ago, I asked Stroft about the life of their tippet material. Here is what they said:
"When the line is stored dark and dry, what means no UV rays and not to high humidity and no high temperatures (below 50°C), the line should not be loosing breaking strength for about 8-10
years. The advantage of our spools is the soft foam ring, which protects
the line against UV-rays."

I use their 5-spool tippet dispensers when I'm out fishing, so they are fully protected from UV rays then. At home, of course, they are stored away from light. Dry and far below 50C!!

Cheers,

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I have one particular 100m spool of 5x that has lived at the bottom of my rucsack for years now, its had days in the mesh pocket on the outside exposed to sunlight and its fine still.

The only spool I ever had that seemed off was a spool of Fulling Mill bought in Pitlochry years ago, broke way too easy in the hand, can't compare because its the only time I ever used it, if it was past sell by Fulling Mill lost a customer there rather than the shop so I'm thinking its not the manufacturer that would want to avoid that.
 

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Re aging in nylon...

I have a big box full of left-over spools of nylon, dog-ends, etc, collected over about the last 40 years. Lots of different brands and diameters and standard and low-diameters types. I got them out one day and tested their breaking strains. They were all perfectly good, apart from one spool of Orvis Superstrong, which was knacked for some reason. Put me off ever using Orvis Superstrong again. My conclusion was that, stored in a cool place in the dark, nylon is fine for many, many years - but you can always get a bad spool.

My preferred low-diameter is D.A.M Tectan Premium Plus, which gradually became more and more like hens' teeth to find, so I stocked up on it a good few years ago. It is now discontinued, but I have enough 300 m spools of my favoured diameters to last a good few years... especially at the current rate of use! :whistle:

I don't buy Marmite, but I don't mind it. 🤭

I don't use Stroft, but I've nothing against it. :)

Col
 

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I filled up a reel for coarse fishing last week. The line was a bulk spool of Berkeley Trimax bought in about 1993 direct from Bass Pro.

the line is perfect.
 

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Re aging in nylon...

I have a big box full of left-over spools of nylon, dog-ends, etc, collected over about the last 40 years. Lots of different brands and diameters and standard and low-diameters types. I got them out one day and tested their breaking strains. They were all perfectly good, apart from one spool of Orvis Superstrong, which was knacked for some reason. Put me off ever using Orvis Superstrong again. My conclusion was that, stored in a cool place in the dark, nylon is fine for many, many years - but you can always get a bad spool.

My preferred low-diameter is D.A.M Tectan Premium Plus, which gradually became more and more like hens' teeth to find, so I stocked up on it a good few years ago. It is now discontinued, but I have enough 300 m spools of my favoured breaking strains to last a good few years... especially at the current rate of use! :whistle:

I don't buy Marmite, but I don't mind it. 🤭

I don't use Stroft, but I've nothing against it. :)

Col
DAM Tectan and Maxima Chameleon and Ultragreen were the first better fishing lines i got after the fall of comunism over here. Then i moved to stroft .
 

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Why might pigtails be more of an issue on an unwetted knot Andy..?
Stroft knots very easily at the best of times and indeed it’s slippyness seems to be an issue for some.As long as you pull the knot together slowly you won’t create enough heat through friction to cause any damage .I don’t get why doing this would make it any more prone to unravel...?
 

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