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I don't think anyone would suggest that is a bad idea, but if this is that one resource I fear most would loose the will to live before digesting it.
Stop randomly moaning and suggest ways to improve it

My bigger concern is you appear to be arriving at it all being the same as bulk spool general purpose nylon from Walmart.
That's your interpretation not mine. We've been at this for weeks and today is the first time this bulk/tippet thing has sprung up. It's not anywhere in the OP and, as I've just explained it's not what I think or would ever be stupid enough to think.

Your tenacity for understanding things would be put to better use in lines, especially profiles, there is more fog round than anything.
Hey, last year it was rods, this year it's mono, next year it's probably hooks. If I can still tolerate the cr@p I have to put up from the trolls, muppets and forum nazis, I might even get round to fly-line. But I suspect that's such random garbage that nothing can penetrate it.

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But Stroft don't do a bulk spool for sale as general purpose nylon for sale in Walmart, that would be, as our American forumites have correctly identified not quite the same stuff.
That'll be because IT'S NOT THE SAME STUFF. And I never said it was.

Good grief man, I've never met anyone that can create as many straw men as you.
 
Stop randomly moaning and suggest ways to improve it
I'd drop the fixation with marketing always being a conspiracy to dupe us and just be objective, no point in saying you are when your secondary objective keeps popping up.

Then, if I can use fly lines as an example, pick something that you can actually use data to evaluate, lines are designed along mathematical principles, and the need is very much there, rods and to a lesser extent tippet are understood enough by most to get by.

And lastly don't be hostile to suggestions, I'm happy with you ignoring mine, you don't need to divert a thread to argue about it.
 
I've been fly fishing and catching fish for fifty years and in all that time I've never bought a spool labelled 'tippet' material. Do I win ÂŁ5? :thumbs:
 
Discussion starter · #829 ·
I'd drop the fixation with marketing always being a conspiracy to dupe us and just be objective, no point in saying you are when your secondary objective keeps popping up.
Please stop making $hit up and start pointing to the parts of the OP that are saying or even implying anything like that. (And you really need to grow up about business.)

Then, if I can use fly lines as an example, pick something that you can actually use data to evaluate, lines are designed along mathematical principles, and the need is very much there, rods and to a lesser extent tippet are understood enough by most to get by.
Off topic.

And lastly don't be hostile to suggestions, I'm happy with you ignoring mine, you don't need to divert a thread to argue about it.
SO MAKE SOME SODDING SUGGESTIONS ABOUT THE OP.

Start by reading it, then pointing to what's wrong or what's missing. Stop inventing things that are only in your head.
 
Discussion starter · #830 ·
Neither is correcting your errors or ignorance.
I'm very, very happy to have errors corrected. I've made many, and will make many more. The only way I seem to be able to get contributions is by saying stuff that I'm thinking and watching people telling me gleefully how wrong I am. Often wrongly.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned I've corrected everything that's been brought up. If you know of any left, please point them out.

But do read the OP before commenting.

Even more, please add more actual information. Sniping from the sidelines is really easy but if that's all you've got I'll take it.
 
Please stop making $hit up and start pointing to the parts of the OP that are saying or even implying anything like that. (And you really need to grow up about business.)

Off topic.

SO MAKE SOME SODDING SUGGESTIONS ABOUT THE OP.

Start by reading it, then pointing to what's wrong or what's missing. Stop inventing things that are only in your head.
You asked for suggestions, I took it perhaps too broadly and included your approach, which I have to say is strangely argumentative, the OP is very good, is anyone slating that? not sure if it tells me anything I need to know particularly but I'm sure it is useful to someone, post it on the US forum and see what they think, it would be interesting to hear their comments.
 
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You asked for suggestions, I took it perhaps too broadly and included your approach, which I have to say is strangely argumentative, the OP is very good, is anyone slating that?
Then what on earth are you quibbling about?
 
Why? :noidea:
Some swear by it, point is just that they call it tippet in the US, are they wrong?

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Then what on earth are you quibbling about?
Rather than argue with everything why not focus on the job in hand, if you don't want suggestions then don't ask, if you do take them or ignore them, you don't need to give me feedback:D
 
Some swear by it, point is just that they call it tippet in the US, are they wrong?
I know what a 'tippet' is. If you are river fishing, then the last few feet of your single fly leader is referred to as the 'tippet'.

What goes on a spool of leader material is either nylon or fluorocarbon. It's not 'tippet', FFS! If you put 30 yards of nylon on a spool and label it 'Extreme Tippet' and price it at 3 times what you do for the same stuff on a 100 yard spool, then good luck to you when you sell it to the punters.

For the past 20 years, I have made up my dry fly leaders, usually as 2 fly rigs (so not a 'tippet' anyway), using D.A.M. Tectan, which is sold in 300 m spools at about ÂŁ7 per spool. I also use it for 3-fly leaders for top water nymphing, and for dry fly river fishing... as a 'tippet'! And I have 100% confidence in it.

Tippet my arse! :rolleyes:

Americans! :eek:mg:
 
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Rather than argue with everything why not focus on the job in hand, if you don't want suggestions then don't ask, if you do take them or ignore them, you don't need to give me feedback:D
It just goes on.

I argue because you're talking rubbish. Which you admit because you can't find anything wrong with what's in the OP. If what you had just said had any baring on the OP, it would be in the OP.

Look, I'm trying to concentrate on the 9 o-clock murder, if you're going to distract me, at least make it rational.
 
But do read the OP before commenting.

Even more, please add more actual information. Sniping from the sidelines is really easy but if that's all you've got I'll take it.
I re-read the op before posting. It's getting a bit disjointed. If you can't post new pics you can post links.

Your x system table is a waste of space. X rating is now a simple system based on diameter in thousands of an inch.

I'd suggest you use "raw materials" for the bulk stuff, and the table is still irrelevant because the properties are so far out of kilter with what we're using the information is worthless, other than as an example of how vastly different what we are using is.

I've been side tracked pondering the visco-elastic effects vs. glass transition temperatures and haven't come to any conclusion yet, other than we don't know the specific properties of the materials we use beyond UTS. The claimed strengths indicate a substantial crystal and molecular refinement which indicate the materials are below their raw Tg states. Interesting because the Tg of bulk pvdf is subzero (deg.C) and nylon is 70 plus.

This also leads to the materials being glassy polymers which renders the stress/strain curve you've shown in the op as inappropriate because that's applicable to materials where the onset of necking occurs after the maximum recorded stress: that's not observed in highly ordered brittle materials, which includes both the pa and pvdf we're using.

Find a stress strain curve that compares brittle and ductile failure, and if possible the work hardening in ductile materials that shows the ultimate failure occurs at a stress higher in the necked material.

Cap'n's photos show some interesting surface defects, and I'm pretty sure I can see internal flaws and delamination in one of them, but some scientific study would be required.

The kinky failures are probably a result of heat and energy dissipation, or lack of, resulting in localised heating, but that is speculation... As are some of the "facts" in the op. You can't qualify a fact with possibly, probably or maybe.

I'm pretty sure i can create the work hardening in pvdf by stretching a bit a few times and seeing increased opacity.

Anyhoo... please drop the **** references and edit your previous posts accordingly.
 
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