was a concern with youngsters taking up fly fishing

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James, can I suggest you chose your words very carefully here; you are not going to make many friends throwing accusations around on a public forum

Good point actually, the same guys will be worse if the hear about this thread:D

Clubs can be just less than encouraging to outsiders, they may well not realise they are being a bit anti social.
 

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James I have to admit ive never came across this any where ive fished . In fact its always been the opposite everyone ive meet is usually helpful giving advise flies ect . Fishing is for everyone no matter what age so ignore these idiots and let your fishing do the talking
 

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Sorry Gary i have said what i said for the reason i believe and have had while at the Loch.

i have said absolutely nothing wrong and is infact what 1 regular on the Loch says and a few at the fly tying club . its a bit of a local joke that the old timers on the Loch treat it as top secret in what flies really catch and what information is not passed on to Willie for the fishing report.
i spoke to 2 auld hands in Fly fishing and it was them who jokingly said about if you found out the real success to the loch .

So i stand by what i said and i have not been throwing any accusations around.
 

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James, can I suggest you chose your words very carefully here; you are not going to make many friends throwing accusations around on a public forum. Gary

Come on. Clearly the cap doesn't fit you so you needn't take it to heart. You seem part of the solution rather than the problem :thumbs:.

People shouldn't have to walk on eggshells if they've a bad experience to report. I'd rather be friends with someone who knows what good manners are, expects them, and is prepared to stand up for that, than someone who hasn't the courage of their convictions to talk about it.

Don't worry, no-one with a bit of common-sense will think this means all Fifers are grumpy old men. Some are grumpy old women ;)
 

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James, I think you will remember all the good will shown to you on this Forum when you first started out. Some of that good will no doubt have come from grumpy old men.
I don,t want to sound patronising but don't you think it is time to stop making excuses and just go fishing.?
I have seen you on the river Leven. Why don't you get a bus to Kirkcaldy and walk 10 minutes to Raith Lake Trout Fishery.
If you do I will give you all the help I can.

Brian
 

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Brian the help i got from the forum has nothing to do with the way things have happened on the Loch , that is what i am getting at.

You only seen me on the river because Jon had very kindly offered to show me the ropes to river fishing and how to read the river , where fish are likely to be sitting . how to fish nymphs and get them to act natural with the current.
I was surprised to meet you , and to be honest i did not recognise you at first , it was the name i recognised but not the face. and it was good to have met up again.

though i was a bit horrified when you wanted to see my casting , i had only just got the river gear lol. and the scoop net i have is not ideal , the wee broonie i caught up river from you went straight through the net lol.
 

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James...Although it is frustrating and hurtful,don't worry about it.
You unfortunately find this, with some people,all around you. How many times have you walked into a pub for the first time,and all the old regulars turn and stare at you as though you're invading their space?? I suspect that it's a territorial thing that some of the older ones are wary of.
When I joined my club,there were a few that seemed off hand towards me,and I put it down to the above....they're all good friends now,hopefully because my attitude was one of "you take me as I am,or not...your choice...but I will always be polite and respectful towards you".

btw...I'm 64,so definitely can't be classified as a youngster!!!! :)

Peter
 

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Brian the help i got from the forum has nothing to do with the way things have happened on the Loch , that is what i am getting at.

You only seen me on the river because Jon had very kindly offered to show me the ropes to river fishing and how to read the river , where fish are likely to be sitting . how to fish nymphs and get them to act natural with the current.
I was surprised to meet you , and to be honest i did not recognise you at first , it was the name i recognised but not the face. and it was good to have met up again.

though i was a bit horrified when you wanted to see my casting , i had only just got the river gear lol. and the scoop net i have is not ideal , the wee broonie i caught up river from you went straight through the net lol.

James, what I am trying to say is that all Older people are not Grumpy and the ones that are may Have reasons that we don't know about.
Get to Kirkcaldy and I will make sure you are picked up from the Bus Stop and taken to The lake and returned to the Bus Stop.
The lake does C&R.
You never know,you may meet someone there who becomes your mate. Sorted:)
Your Casting is Fine.
Another Option. Bus from Kinross to Leslie get a permit in the Bike shop and The River is just down the brae.
Bus Details.http://www.stagecoachbus.com/PdfUploads/Timetable_27576_201 205 Fife .pdf

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Hi' James,
You have had an unfortunate experience; some of us do, some of us are lucky and do not meet with hostility from ''grumpy old men''. Rise above it, and you'll prove you are better than they are. If your skill overtakes theirs, and I sincerely hope it does, prove it in time, and show them, gracefully, how their snide remarks have only served to bring out the good and the skillful in you.
I believe. in any unpleasant verbal exchange, the gentleman invariably scores over the lout.
One of the least pleasant conversations I have had with a stranger occurred only this year, about three months ago, at our local still water fishery, Blencarn Lake. There were three guys fishing off the earth (grassed-over ) dam, and one guy, also new to me, coming back to his car. We were about fifteen yards from the nearest casting platform, not interfering in any way with the fishing of the nearest guy. I simply asked the chap I met how the lake was fishing. We talked for a minute or two about the water, the rise or lack of such, then ''Mr Grumpy'' turned round and asked us to keep quiet as we were disturbing the fish. He said he'd come to fish, not to listen to people talking. We ignored him, and I said to my new acquaintance, ''How many fish has he caught.'' ''None, but his mate on the next platform has had two fish.''
The miserable beggar on the first platform tuned around and made another snide remark about coming out to enjoy the peace and quiet, and that did it.
I told him we were simply exchanging a friendly greeting, and then said that I was asking about the sport of the morning; that we were not talking loudly, we were not jumping up and down on the bank and we weren't guilty of any other sort of unacceptable behaviour. I went further; I said that we were all breathing the same air, and that I hoped he wasn't gong to object to that as well. He made another unintelligible comment, and I told him to grow up.
It turned out that he was one of those greedy beggars who hog a known area where the stockies sometimes hang around after release, not far from the outfall, in front of which there is some deeper water. He stayed put for the entire length of his stay, and caught only one fish that I saw. The fish weren't there; but he was too stupid to move.
I should have ignored him, but he was acting childishly.
His mate caught three fish. On my way to the back of the lake, I walked carefully along the bank behind him, keeping a low profile. I stopped, waited until he had cast, said my ''excuse me'' and asked how he had found the fishing; and he was quite happy to exchange a few words --but he had caught some fish, and that makes a big difference. Some people are good losers, some never grow up. Both were men in their sixties, I'd guess.
Don't let them get to you, I did, and I guess I have made an enemy; but I can handle him if I meet hm again.;) I just won't swear or shout; being firmly and quietly polite is hard for some to handle. jadaTC
 
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James, you have been banging this drum for a while now. It's time you took charge of your circumstances and got on with some fishing. When I fish Leven be it alone or with my partner in crime, I pays my money and take to the water. Couldn't be easier, no contact is required. If someone cannot muster a friendly hello or smile that's their problem, it won't affect your fishing. Get down there and get fishing, it's not about socialising, it's about getting out on Loch Leven. Living as near as you do I'd never be off it, and soon enough folk will want to ask you the questions. Positive Mental Attitude, as I'm sure iv mentioned to you before. ;-)
 

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Hi James.
Have you tried Balado fishery just over the other side of the motorway from Leven ?
It's not a big place but great sport and the guys there are very welcoming and friendly.
I fish it quite a bit so if you fancy trying it some time drop me a PM and I'd be happy to pick you up and give you a lift down as well as give you some pointers on the fishing.
 

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Sad world we live in, had a few experiences over the years and it is not nice, there is a tackle shop in Edinburgh I haven't been in for years, always the same folk in having tea and when your in it goes silent, ask anything and you get the basic reply, reminds me of the pub in American werewolf in London!

Don't do clubs because of the clicks and politics, have my own friends who I get on with, met some cracking folk on here and that's good enough for me, if someone ignores me its fine, their loss and if someone doesn't want me around all they have to do is say and explain why, if its reasonable I will leave if not I won't

Life is short, don't let folk get to you (easier said than done) enjoy your fishing and as for your neighbour, if he lets on to you in the street ignore him, if you have seagulls around throw bread over his car :whistle:

People, what a bunch of B******s :thumbs:

Also, there is a fishing partners bit in here somewhere, stick a wee notice in and you will get a few good guys in the same boat replying, most fishermen are good guys, just a few that spoil it if you let them.
 

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No one can say I,m a shrinking violet....infact it is entirely the opposite. I have only been snubbed once and that was years ago on the limestone lochs in Sutherland. The long hair didn't help I suppose but opinions changed when I flunked about twenty fish. I don't care if people get huffy what they hear is what they get.i,ll see you tomorrow on the pier ......bring your ear defenders. Lol.
 
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James I must echo Scotty and Brians comments.Your destiny is in your own hands and if people are giving you the solutions and you come back with a negative Im afraid you will end up getting nowhere.

You need to do something yourself.Many of the lads here have over the last few years as you know given you much help.NOW you need really to help yourself.

Nothing anyone writes on here will change this fact.Its all upto you now.
 

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Found a bit of spare Time this Friday James. If you get yourself to Leslie I can spare an Hour and show you the River with areas to fish.Fishing its head of just now.
You can fish from Leslie to Auchmuir Bridge and catch the bus from there to Kinross. The bus stop is 30seconds from the river:thumbs:

Hope that helps:)

Brian
 

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Sorry Brian unexpected bill took up fishing funds this time around lol.


Kev i am far from coming back with negatives. i know what is happening etc as it happens to me . what works for 1 does not work for all . and it is about time some people realise that.
no matter what i say clearly i will be in the wrong .

ive had it all my life being the school punch bag , and from teachers. so ive had it drummed into me . easy for folk to sit there and say do this , do that.

I did not start this post looking for any advice really , just venting my personal experience and giving 1 answer as to why a lot of youngsters are not so keen on taking up Fly Fishing possibly.


I was out on the Loch yesterday evening with Jim , and i could have spoken a bit more but i zoned out , thinking of what i can try to get a fish or 2 lol.
the fact Jim made the threat to sing to the fish might not have helped matters though lol.

but Jim managed one wee sprat , and was to busy watching one fish and missed an other at his fly lol. as a result we got into a tangle.
and i had a good few knocks but failed to hook them , and then later in the evening i had plenty up at my flies or just infront of my flies . and missed 9 of the wee broonies towards the end.
 

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lol sorry Bob .

attempt to talk to any locals / regulars back at the pier and i get nothing but dirty looks like they just stepped on me and trying to find a stick to get rid of me.
Only time i get spoken to is if its lads visiting the Loch then they talk to me.

i was setting up my gear once , over heard 2 guys ask a member of staff for information. "" do you know where the spots are producing fish ""

member of staff "" looks like a deer caught in headlights "" and his answer was i dunno in, ,,,, in the water some where ""..

so i stepped back out of boat and got my map out and pointed them in the right direction . and i went off to try an other drift.
when i got back in at 6pm the 2 guys were in and thanked me , they had a few fish each.
bloody annoying when i blanked though lol.

in the 2 years or so the old regulars have not spoken to me . and sure as hell will not ever disclose what flies or line to use.
they would have to kill you if you learnt of such information .

Hi James,

I would like to know the name of the member of staff who allegedly said this. I am manager down there with Willie working when I'm not there. Anybody reading this who knows us will realize you are not telling the truth.

How can you get duff info if you never come and speak to us before you go out.

Willie the Ghillie is 100% honest. Read it. Tie some up and go out. Even with the little money you have an evening single is only £20, find a mate and that goes down £5.

Cheers

Michael Wilson
 
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