Why has carp fishing become more popular than fly fishing?

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I think you will find the attitude amongst most anglers, before I started fly fishing the monthly meetings of a couple of the coarse clubs I was in left you feeling very down, Brits are happy unless they have something to moan about.

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I participate in forums and social media groups relating to other forms of angling. I've found that there can be some negativity and criticism. The vast majority of these comments center around fish welfare. People having a go at others for not using an unhooking mat or taking pictures showing dry hands or standing up etc. But the negativity doesn't come close to what I witness on here.
 

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I'm trying to see how this perceived negativity of fly fishers ( where it is?) would drive potential recruits to carp fishing, if indeed negativity can be defined as not enjoying the TV and magazine content offered to us.

Having watched a really dreadful carp fishing series called monster carp, hosted by three armholes who apparently communicate between themselves with the exclusive use of the phrase "get in there my son" I'd be surprised if there weren't more than a few carp fishers who haven't left their ability to distinguish between total carp and well produced programmes in la la land who might venture an opinion that their sport was being mightily shafted by the broadcasters. That's sound critical judgement, not negativity.

Kit? Every Joe's got a different show.

As for anglers being their own worst enemy perhaps one could reflect on the bizarre situation in which a government agency has presided over the wholesale deterioration of the very waters and wildlife they were charged to protect, their sole concern being to merrily stuff their pension pots to bursting at our expense, oblivious and supine while nature dies all around them. Pretty sure I can see who the enemy is and do freely admit that my view towards environmental regulators is negative.
 

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I'm trying to see how this perceived negativity of fly fishers ( where it is?) would drive potential recruits to carp fishing, if indeed negativity can be defined as not enjoying the TV and magazine content offered to us.

Are you on Facebook DB? You'll find literally hundreds of FB groups dedicated to different fish species, local areas and individual fisheries.

These social media groups are full of younger anglers as social media is the place they go for information these days. FFF is a great forum, but lets be brutally honest here, it's not at all representative of the UK fishing community. I don't know what the exact percentage of members who are white, middle class, middle aged or older males is, but I suspect it's very high. In short it's not very inclusive which is a shame.

Maybe ask the same question on some of the larger Facebook groups to get a better idea.
 

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Having watched a really dreadful carp fishing series called monster carp, hosted by three armholes who apparently communicate between themselves with the exclusive use of the phrase "get in there my son" I'd be surprised if there weren't more than a few carp fishers who haven't left their ability to distinguish between total carp and well produced programmes in la la land who might venture an opinion that their sport was being mightily shafted by the broadcasters. That's sound critical judgement, not negativity.

Kit? Every Joe's got a different show.

That particular show is sponsored by Korda. A specialist carp tackle company who until very recently employed Ali Hamidi. One of the three presenter chaps you refer too.

It is to some extent a paid advertisement for that tackle manufacturer rather than a TV show to educate wannabee carp anglers.
 

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That particular show is sponsored by Korda. A specialist carp tackle company who until very recently employed Ali Hamidi. One of the three presenter chaps you refer too.

It is to some extent a paid advertisement for that tackle manufacturer rather than a TV show to educate wannabee carp anglers.

Surely being a white, middle class, older male doesn't translate to being negative? Grumpy with a tendency towards gammonesque, yes, but not negative :)

Facebook makes this place look normal but I do like Marketplace which enables a check to determine whether a seller/buyer's sufficiently sane to deal with!

Monster Carp? Had me (unusually) annoying people for a while with "Get in there etc". Edging towards Robson Groin's awfulness but not quite there perhaps.
 

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Surely being a white, middle class, older male doesn't translate to being negative? Grumpy with a tendency towards gammonesque, yes, but not negative :)

Facebook makes this place look normal but I do like Marketplace which enables a check to determine whether a seller/buyer's sufficiently sane to deal with!

Monster Carp? Had me (unusually) annoying people for a while with "Get in there etc". Edging towards Robson Groin's awfulness but not quite there perhaps.

Facebook has some decent groups. I'm not saying old white gits like me are negative. I'm saying the group isn't particularly inclusive. Think about your perception of Facebook and then ask yourself what a group of teenage and young ladies would make of this place if they started reading Viewpoint / The Lodge.... :)
 

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Facebook has some decent groups. I'm not saying old white gits like me are negative. I'm saying the group isn't particularly inclusive. Think about your perception of Facebook and then ask yourself what a group of teenage and young ladies would make of this place if they started reading Viewpoint / The Lodge.... :)

I read the local news (Western Mail) through Facebook to get some sort of order outside their chaotic website, I occasionally read the comments, it certainly supports a thriving and diverse population of pondlife.
All for inclusivity, just had a quick G&T with my gay neighbours (no interest in joining the forum there)
 

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I read the local news (Western Mail) through Facebook to get some sort of order outside their chaotic website, I occasionally read the comments, it certainly supports a thriving and diverse population of pondlife.
All for inclusivity, just had a quick G&T with my gay neighbours (no interest in joining the forum there)
I agree about Facebook - FFF seems relatively normal by comparison.

I live in a suburban area of Reading and made the mistake of joining a local residents group to suggest maybe wheelie bins as better for recycling. I was nearly hounded out of the area....."I'm not having an ugly wheelie bin outside my house", etc, etc.

That pales into insignificance compared to a local organic smallholding I "followed" that has now banned anyone having had a Covid jab from visiting as they are worried about vaccinated folk infecting unvaccinated folk somehow causing testicular cancer, infertility, you name it.
 

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That could be it, young people just don't aspire to the gammon like they used to.
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I agree about Facebook - FFF seems relatively normal by comparison.

I live in a suburban area of Reading and made the mistake of joining a local residents group to suggest maybe wheelie bins as better for recycling. I was nearly hounded out of the area....."I'm not having an ugly wheelie bin outside my house", etc, etc.

That pales into insignificance compared to a local organic smallholding I "followed" that has now banned anyone having had a Covid jab from visiting as they are worried about vaccinated folk infecting unvaccinated folk somehow causing testicular cancer, infertility, you name it.
We dropped out of our road's WhatsApp group for similar reasons, I got tired of biting my tongue about some of the seemingly innocuous issues which became drama laden topics . The one which clinched it was mass fury about a dead cherry tree on the green which I have my eye on, there were demands for the council to fell it as might catch fire and burn a car??? I know nearly everyone, work for a few, mingle at the annual party etc. but the WhatsApp group brought some strange attitudes into a sharp focus.
 

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Plus not only do you get to buy the matching hat and bag, but also lots and lots of toys too, with all kinds of electronic gizmos to choose from, including a remote control boat fitted with fish-finding sonar, a little tent to live in, and a big wheelbarrow to transport it all from the van (too much kit to fit in a mere car!) to the lake side. It's a tackle tart's dream! ;)
'Tackle tart'. Brlliant - that's a keeper. Lol.
 

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We dropped out of our road's WhatsApp group for similar reasons, I got tired of biting my tongue about some of the seemingly innocuous issues which became drama laden topics . The one which clinched it was mass fury about a dead cherry tree on the green which I have my eye on, there were demands for the council to fell it as might catch fire and burn a car??? I know nearly everyone, work for a few, mingle at the annual party etc. but the WhatsApp group brought some strange attitudes into a sharp focus.
Funnily enough, my wife subscribes to a neighbourhood WhatsApp group and, as you say, attitudes were brought sharply into focus recently and funnily enough it involved a tree!

If someone posts on the WhatsApp about local petrol prices there's animated debate. So, we decided it would be good to raise awareness of the madness of the local council proposing to fell an ancient oak, a beautiful spectacle in our neighbourhood, because a couple of branches had fallen. Absolutely silence, no response, no interest whatsoever. The tree was felled - still no interest, no awareness. These houses have been here for 40 years, the oak had been here for 300 years and would have lasted another 300 years (unlike us).

It's a bit of an eye opener :rolleyes:
 

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I think you will find the attitude amongst most anglers, before I started fly fishing the monthly meetings of a couple of the coarse clubs I was in left you feeling very down, Brits aren't happy unless they have something to moan about.

Steve
It's being so miserable that keeps us cheerful! ;)
 

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The aesthetics are important in fly fishing and coarse fishing, very few of us get to cast a classic salmon fly these days but they exert a strong attractive power. Similarly vintage quill floats may have been pushed into the shade by wagglers, loafers and windbeaters but they seem to contain the same energy which resonates down through the years.

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Those have to be the fanciest quill floats I have ever seen!!! Beautiful things :love:
 
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