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  1. #101
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    Default Re: Is this cheating?

    Quote Originally Posted by suzuki15hp View Post
    I think a lady angler landing a 32 lb pike on a buzzer is a very isolated incident indeed. Catching tiddlers like your 18 lb'er is neither here nor there.
    No, the point is that it is not that unusual to catch pike, even good ones, on small flies intended for trout. The 18lb fish was not the only pike I caught on a buzzer, but it was the biggest. I partnered a guy at Chew in a boat comp who hooked into a decent sized pike and was determined to get it into the boat despite the fact that it wouldn't have counted. We lost 30 minutes of fishing time while he farted around with that fish. I kept on at him to break off so we could get back to doing what we were there for. The inevitable happened of course, and he then spent the next four hours muttering about how big he thought the pike was.

    Surprisingly enough, neither of us did any good in the competition.

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    Default Re: Is this cheating?

    I’ve caught the odd pike pulling wet flies for sea trout on Loch Lomond.Even Had one take a dry mayfly at the lake but that doesn’t mean I would seriously consider either of those methods if I was deliberately setting out to catch them.Like I said,it’s incidental,nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobP View Post
    No, the point is that it is not that unusual to catch pike, even good ones, on small flies intended for trout. The 18lb fish was not the only pike I caught on a buzzer, but it was the biggest. I partnered a guy at Chew in a boat comp who hooked into a decent sized pike and was determined to get it into the boat despite the fact that it wouldn't have counted. We lost 30 minutes of fishing time while he farted around with that fish. I kept on at him to break off so we could get back to doing what we were there for. The inevitable happened of course, and he then spent the next four hours muttering about how big he thought the pike was.

    Surprisingly enough, neither of us did any good in the competition.
    Yes incidental. You never set out to catch the pike in the first place. Catching the pike was incidental to your main objective.

    incidental
    /ɪnsɪˈdɛnt(ə)l/

    adjective
    1.
    happening as a minor accompaniment to something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morayfisher View Post
    Ive only just started tying my own. It will be a bit boring if they are all just a bit of white wool whipped on a hook
    A bit of wool whipped onto a hook is an effective fly, The White Baby Doll
    There are two basic fly designs, those designed to catch fish and those designed to catch fishermen, the latter being the best seller

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    Default Re: Is this cheating?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_B View Post
    A bit of wool whipped onto a hook is an effective fly, The White Baby Doll
    And easier to tie than the klinkhammer I’ve just attempted for the first time
    Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught and the last river poisoned, will we realise, we cannot eat money.

  6. #106
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    Default Re: Is this cheating?

    I thought a baby doll was wool wound around the shank to represent a wasp or docken grub?

    Al

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    Quote Originally Posted by speytime View Post
    I thought a baby doll was wool wound around the shank to represent a wasp or docken grub?

    Al

    Hi Al,

    Probably a good imitation of a wasp or docken grub, but most Stillwater anglers fish strip the fly at some two feet per second.

    Perhaps a docken grub with a rocket up its ar##

    Maybe it would catch as many trout fished naturally, ie static.




    Douglas

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddleston123 View Post
    Hi Al,

    Probably a good imitation of a wasp or docken grub, but most Stillwater anglers fish strip the fly at some two feet per second.

    Perhaps a docken grub with a rocket up its ar##

    Maybe it would catch as many trout fished naturally, ie static.




    Douglas
    Hi Douglas I'm not familiar with them being used in rainbow trout fishing, the baby doll I'm thinking of was fished in burns/rivers afaik it existed long time before stocked rainbows were available.
    I had a short spell of fly tying some 38/40 years ago that's when I learned about them.

    I've just googled them and had a look at the modern baby doll, the ones I tied as a kid didn't look like them more a representation of grub, wound with heavy wool for a ribbed effect, no tail and a brown head, I've got a few somewhere I'll post a couple of photos over the next day or two.

    Cheers Al
    Last edited by speytime; 09-10-2019 at 09:13 PM. Reason: Google ��

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    Default Re: Is this cheating?

    I have never fished a Baby Doll in a burn/stream, but it would be interesting.

    I fish a few burns that may be perfect for this.

    Next season, I'll give it a try.

    A.T.B




    Douglas

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    Default Re: Is this cheating?

    The Baby Doll as used in rainbow trout fishing back in the 1970's was the pro fly dresser's dream. It was cheap as chips re materials, took less than three minutes to tie and had a limited life span as once the wool got grubby it no longer worked.

    The dressing used the bright fluorescent white wool as used for knitting baby clothes. A ball of that cost about 50p and you could tie hundreds of BDs with one ball.

    There were a few spin-offs, the Peppermint Doll being the most popular. That used Fluorescent green wool over the back of the fly.

    The fly sank without trace during the 1980's.

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