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Old 11-01-2018, 10:36 PM
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If the choice was that simple, the fact is it is illegal to catch trout out of season, no ifs or buts it's down in Black and white, there are few Opportunities for Rainbow trout here, I can fish for pike but it doesn't draw me the way trout do, so I find other things to do, like tying flies and rod making , I have learned patience over the years, and I can wait 'til March , easker1
Playing Devil's Advocate - I suspect it might be a lot simpler to assess the rules on your water, up there, than it is on many other waters.
The laws, when you look at them, are far from clear - lots of talk of 'certain' waters', in 'certain places', using 'certain methods' at 'certain times'.

To give an example, using my river waters, here in Yorkshire.
I have caught trout whilst after grayling, grayling when after trout. Salmon when actively after pike, using pike lures. Sea trout, perch and dace (all out of season) when after trout etc. etc..
Coarse anglers are often catching trout.

As alluded to in an earlier post, with seasons crossing, it is nigh on impossible not to be acting illegally.

I suspect the law is very much geared around actively targeting a species, or retaining it, out of season, as opposed merely catching it.

It cannot be illegal to catch a sea trout whilst after bass, say, though it is illegal to retain it.

Is there a fly that will catch grayling but not trout, and vice versa?
Or a way of stopping trout taking a maggot?

Unless one is totally taking the P, with the laws as they stand, it is more down to anglers to try and do the right thing, because doing wrong is nearly unavoidable in some places.
And, if an anglers heart is in the right place, there seems little point in beating oneself up about the odd honest mistakes?
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Old 12-01-2018, 08:40 AM
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Yes , but don't post the pics, easker1
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Easy to do 130 on the motorway and you are unlikely to see Police but you donít do it. Posting the videos on internet and they will definitely come and talk to you.
Like stated itís down to morals. Accidents will happen but you know if you are fishing For OOS species.


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Playing Devil's Advocate - I suspect it might be a lot simpler to assess the rules on your water, up there, than it is on many other waters.
The laws, when you look at them, are far from clear - lots of talk of 'certain' waters', in 'certain places', using 'certain methods' at 'certain times'.

To give an example, using my river waters, here in Yorkshire.
I have caught trout whilst after grayling, grayling when after trout. Salmon when actively after pike, using pike lures. Sea trout, perch and dace (all out of season) when after trout etc. etc..
Coarse anglers are often catching trout.

As alluded to in an earlier post, with seasons crossing, it is nigh on impossible not to be acting illegally.

I suspect the law is very much geared around actively targeting a species, or retaining it, out of season, as opposed merely catching it.

It cannot be illegal to catch a sea trout whilst after bass, say, though it is illegal to retain it.

Is there a fly that will catch grayling but not trout, and vice versa?
Or a way of stopping trout taking a maggot?

Unless one is totally taking the P, with the laws as they stand, it is more down to anglers to try and do the right thing, because doing wrong is nearly unavoidable in some places.
And, if an anglers heart is in the right place, there seems little point in beating oneself up about the odd honest mistakes?
No one is saying that out of season fish won't be caught. The offence is targeting them out of season. But it should go beyond that, every angler should know that it is wrong to target a fish during it's breeding (and recovery) period. Yes there are examples of actual breeding times crossing over with the legal season. In these cases it is down to the angler to show restraint, who wants to catch heavily gravid salmon or trout in September/October or spawned out grayling in June? Or sea trout kelts in the sea in February or smolts running to sea (kelts and smolts have legal protection).

Also there is no excuse for being confused about the seasons and rules - you are allowed to read the back of your ticket!
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This is a law which I observe every year which is unlikely to affect me.I find it difficult enough to catch brown trout when they're in season,never mind out.
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Here is an interesting one.
I have fished the Teifi for trout for 50 years and never caught a grayling there.
I have read there are a few grayling in localised spots.
If I saw a flyfisher out of the trout season what should I do?
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Here is an interesting one.
I have fished the Teifi for trout for 50 years and never caught a grayling there.
I have read there are a few grayling in localised spots.
If I saw a flyfisher out of the trout season what should I do?
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Presume he knows the localised spots where grayling exist
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Here is an interesting one.
I have fished the Teifi for trout for 50 years and never caught a grayling there.
I have read there are a few grayling in localised spots.
If I saw a flyfisher out of the trout season what should I do?
Rusty
Well, I have to agree that sounds like one of those stretches similar to a few other guy's local water - without a full compliment of species.
In that scenario, it does sound as though he is targeting OOS fish, and should be gently confronted.
I say 'gently' because it could be he is new to your waters and is not aware grayling are absent, and he genuinely is after them.

As alluded to earlier, my stretch has the full compliment, with the exception of carp, so it is rarely so cut and dried.

I am actually a bailiff, or 'watcher', on my stretch so am often faced with this dilemma. What to say? What to do?
Tricky one.
So much easier when you see someone with a salmon spoon out of season, or clearly looking a little dodgy - bags of beer cans, say, or leaving rubbish.

Just go and have a chat, ask to see their license, take a judgement call. Mention you have fished it 30 years and know there are no grayling.
But, then, how does one know he is not trying to nab a Chubb on the fly for a bucket list?

In general, I do take the view most anglers (of our persuasion) are a rather decent sort, who love nature and take pride/interest in conservation and doing the right thing, but I might be a tad on the naive side?
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Well, I have to agree that sounds like one of those stretches similar to a few other guy's local water - without a full compliment of species.
In that scenario, it does sound as though he is targeting OOS fish, and should be gently confronted.
I say 'gently' because it could be he is new to your waters and is not aware grayling are absent, and he genuinely is after them.

As alluded to earlier, my stretch has the full compliment, with the exception of carp, so it is rarely so cut and dried.

I am actually a bailiff, or 'watcher', on my stretch so am often faced with this dilemma. What to say? What to do?
I'm thinking if you don't know what to do you shouldn't be a bailiff, I don't know any bailiffs who use this 'gently confronting' technique, the only people that are offended are chancers.
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Here is an interesting one.
I have fished the Teifi for trout for 50 years and never caught a grayling there.
I have read there are a few grayling in localised spots.
If I saw a flyfisher out of the trout season what should I do?
Rusty


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