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    Default Re: Happy 50th Birthday Carbon/Graphite Rods! A Brief History of the Formative Years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis Chessman View Post
    Fibatube's address is given as Alnwick - were they an independent company or a subsidiary of Hardy Bros. and did they supply blanks to Hardys alone or to other builders, too?
    AFAIK Fibatube were a Hardy Bros company. Tonight I'll scan a page from JH's book which has a list of their tube products applications and uses - certainly not just fishing rods.
    Later.

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    Yes, Dingley, the little search I've just done does suggest that they are a subsidiary of Hardys - and that they supplied blanks to other companies, the East Anglia Rod Co. being one mentioned, Olivers of Knebworth another. No doubt Hardy mandrills were exclusively for their use alone.
    I have seen the 'Jet' and the 'Fibalite' given as examples of these early Fibatube carbon-fibre Hardy models.

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    The patent held by Hardy’s with Richard Walker as a a named person on the patent was mentioned in the Hardy documentary “The lost world of Mr Hardy”. Apparently they messed up the patent as Richard Walker stated a maximum of 25% carbon and in fact it is made in high 90’s so the patent is worthless, a rod built on those proportions would just break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis Chessman View Post
    I have seen the 'Jet' and the 'Fibalite' given as examples of these early Fibatube carbon-fibre Hardy models.
    Useless fact - the JET was named after the initials of Jon E Tarantino (there was a Jon E Tarantino split cane Hardy rod, but I've only ever seen photos (Clarks))

    Some more data HERE
    Last edited by dingley; 12-02-2018 at 04:26 PM.

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    Scan from Jim Hardy's Book as promised
    [© James Hardy]

    Happy 50th Birthday Carbon/Graphite Rods! A Brief History of the Formative Years.-jim-hardy-rods-jpg

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    That's great info, colin1978. I was reading it thinking, "5 to 25% carbon fibre"? Why was Loomis using 95% if 25% would do?

    My Fibatube search took a tangent which is worth noting here .....

    In this Traditional Flyfisherman Forum thread Efgeeco is being discussed and both Richard 'Dick' Walker and Fred J. Taylor are mentioned on p.3 as working together at this old London-based metal-working company, presumably before they formed the Moncrief Rod Development Co.

    Yes. I think F Goddard (of Efgeeco) was John Goddard's father (or uncle, or somesuch) and they had a metalworking company based in London. After the war they started making folding seats for anglers, and gradually increased the range over the next twenty years, making rod rests, umbrellas, landing nets, tackle boxes, bait boxes, holdalls etc. Fred J Taylor worked for them as a sales rep for a while, and helped develop their Pomenteg groundbait with Dick Walker.

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    My first carbon rod was I think made by Milbro for Woolworths, nothing historical other than the surprise on my part that carbon rods were in high street shops like Woolworths as early as the mid 70's??

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    Default Re: Happy 50th Birthday Carbon/Graphite Rods! A Brief History of the Formative Years.

    dingley, thanks very much for that. So much good info in just two pages! Did you notice in the list of other Fibatube products that they made .... ''Golf Club Shafts''?
    Could those have been the very same which inspired Don Green and Jim Green to investigate graphite at Fenwick in the U.S.A.?
    Possibly.
    Possibly probably!

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    Default Re: Happy 50th Birthday Carbon/Graphite Rods! A Brief History of the Formative Years.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    My first carbon rod was I think made by Milbro for Woolworths, nothing historical other than the surprise on my part that carbon rods were in high street shops like Woolworths as early as the mid 70's??
    Mid-70s does seem too early for budget carbon rods, ohanzee (I'm presuming budget - did Woolies do a premier range?), when you consider Hardy didn't get going until '76.

    I have wondered about Milbro/Milward Bros. and suspect that they would already be rolling glass in their Motherwell factory? If so, it wouldn't be difficult to jump on the new bandwagon .... but '74-'77, say, seems too soon to me. However, Jim Green does say (above) that graphite was much easier to work with than glass so maybe by '77/'78. More work needed here.

    I did happen on this Milbro-related page on reelsreels.com which talks about their rod designer, Peter Anderson, and the company's relationships with Mitchell and with ABU.

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    Default Re: Happy 50th Birthday Carbon/Graphite Rods! A Brief History of the Formative Years.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohanzee View Post
    My first carbon rod was I think made by Milbro for Woolworths, nothing historical other than the surprise on my part that carbon rods were in high street shops like Woolworths as early as the mid 70's??
    I am in a position (ex-employee) to comment on the range of fishing tackle sold by Woolworths up to 1980, and there were n carbon rods in the range. They were made in Japan and were fibreglass. After 1980 I can't say as I had entered self-employment by then.

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