Welcome to this new thread for 2016, let's hope we see another 1,000 year or better still the 2,000 that would really signal that a recovery was a reality.
Wye Discussion 2016
sewinbasher
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Try a Freedom of Information request to the NRW, if they have the data they're obliged to provide it.Surely they were sourced mainly with public money therefore are a public asset?
I can't complain and dispute them if i don't have them
You will be telling me its a secret next. What is there to hide?
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Very much capitalists I'm afraid. Not adverse to luring away water from clubs and offering day tickets for far more money.
try having a third look at "geoff's" rant tom (which was preceded by geoff's words "However I have to agree that comments like the one below on the Internet are completely uncalled for")and you might notice the different fonts
. it's quite clear the post has been copied and pasted from SFF, just missing off marty31's user name. did you bother to look at the post i directed you to on SFF???Thread: First fish from the Wye: C40lb. post #90
can't you just admit you're wrong again???
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good idea Sewinbasher thats how i get the electrofishing results.
It will be interesting to see the figures for the Arrow, as I suspect that as WUF were claiming an increase in Salmon numbers aided by access improvements, they were also claiming more pollution in the way of poor farming practices. It would be interesting to see how the figures stack up.
It's great to see the Wye having such a positive start to the season. Long may it continue! Just trying to find a window in the diary to get over there! The Wye and Usk Foundation - Wye Salmon Catches To Date
Brickbatt your loyalty to Geoff is touching....
Remember that: like the one below.
And then in quotation marks is this one comment.
This is it:
There are no quotation marks around the rant.
Quotation marks are the recognised way of indicating that you are quoting someone. Without them how on earth is anyone supposed to know they aren't Geoff's words?hno:hno:hno:
I can accept that Geoff did indeed lift the text verbatum from the salmon Fishing Forum. But intentionally or not he presented it as his own words.
The whole thing can be viewed here: http://wyesalmonreports.blogspot.co.uk/
Just scroll down to 18th March. No quotation marks around the rant. No reference to Marty. No reference to the salmon forum.
Remember that: like the one below.
And then in quotation marks is this one comment.
This is it:
Then the rant starts.
There are no quotation marks around the rant.
Quotation marks are the recognised way of indicating that you are quoting someone. Without them how on earth is anyone supposed to know they aren't Geoff's words?
hno:hno:hno:I can accept that Geoff did indeed lift the text verbatum from the salmon Fishing Forum. But intentionally or not he presented it as his own words.
The whole thing can be viewed here: http://wyesalmonreports.blogspot.co.uk/
Just scroll down to 18th March. No quotation marks around the rant. No reference to Marty. No reference to the salmon forum.
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so why exactly would that post from dan dare be un-called for tom??? someone who'd like to catch a fish like the big 'un???
mg:. anyone with half a brain could tell which part of the quote could be regarded un-called for. you're just clutching at straws to try and make yourself look credible and not foolish. you need to read things more carefully before having a rant on an internet forum for all the world to see . give up tom and just admit you're wrong. as washington says, nitpicking just to be contrary.Lugg and Arrow EF results are on our website Reconnecting Rivers | Wye & Usk Foundation you will need to scroll down comparing 2003 with 2013/2014. See if you can spot any improvement? NK
In the English language text without quotation marks are the authors words.
If Geoff Franks takes another person's words and publishes them without quotation marks then the reader has no way of knowing that they aren't Geoff's words.
It must be embarrassing for the Wye Ghillies Association to have an un-edited slipshod stream of consciousness blog published in your name. Especially one that can't even conform to basic rules of English. Your loyalty in defending it is above and beyond the call of duty.
Tom you quoted this below from SF and it reminded me of how time can play tricks with the memory of some of our old folk:That's the standard answer given to numpties to keep them off the river.
BTW had a second look at Geoff's rant. No quotation marks or credit to any Marty in the bit Brickbatt has referred to.
Geoff only refers to one quote (from a Dan dare) and that's clearly in quotation marks.
If he wants to hide behind other people's quotes maybe he needs to label them more clearly.
"Oddly I was in Worcester on Wednesday and got talking to an old fellow (yes I know I sound like Tom now), the type of angler who doesn't come onto these forums, he had been fishing the Severn at Diglis. Had he done any good? "No, its not like it was 50 years ago", he said, I told him that I had fished the river probably 30 years ago, he said it wasn't as good now as it was back then. The compulsory 100% C&R byelaw for the spring hadn't appeared to have put him off?"
A former Ghillie known to us both (and not infrequently given to making the odd rant) recently pointed out that when he started it was common to take over 1000 fish in March on the Wye. He took up his first of many positions in 1980. There were indeed some excellent years since that auspicious date: '81, '85, '86, and the legendary '88. However can anyone point to which year or years these great Marches matanzas took place?.....NK
so that's as close to you admitting your mistake that we're going to get??? are you going to apologise to Geoff now
???yes tom, jumping to the wrong conclusion so often must be
. and you still haven't explained what was "un-called for" about the post from dan-dare.
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Tom, the offending post came originally from SFF, a forum on which you are active. I am surprised you didn't know of it but it seems you didn't. What is equally surprising is that you failed to notice what is, in effect, a disclaimer on the gillies website, distancing the gillies from that post which was 18 words long but you did notice a lack of a quotation mark. We, that's everybody else, grasped the intention but not you.
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Perhaps Geoff will enlighten us as to those 80's catches New Kid when you tell us where the new weir on the Monnow is and where we can find thhe hydro installations.
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Perhaps Geoff will enlighten us as to those 80's catches New Kid when you tell us where the new weir on the Monnow is and where we can find thhe hydro installations.
Brilliant! I've always seen it as a therapy avenue of expression due to being banned from everywhere else! It's the only reason I go on there occasionally,for the comedy rants!
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Actually they certainly are not on your website. There you have 3 sets of figures from 2003, 2013, 2014. These figures being your interpretation. They prove nothing as there is a 10 year gap when frankly anything could have happened and probably did. If anyone wants the complete figures i have them.
despite your tag 'New Kid' you are a bit od an 'old folk' yourself aren't you Stephen? Does time play tricks on on your memory?
Its amusing when Tom, upset by Mr Franks, maybe for reporting a fish, of course vents his spleen on a matter of grammar.
maybe so, but i bet even you had the intelligence to realise they were not geoff's words :thumbs:. as i said, you'd need to have less than half a brain to think they were.
Post them for us Peter...Actually they certainly are not on your website. There you have 3 sets of figures from 2003, 2013, 2014. These figures being your interpretation. They prove nothing as there is a 10 year gap when frankly anything could have happened and probably did. If anyone wants the complete figures i have them.
despite your tag 'New Kid' you are a bit od an 'old folk' yourself aren't you Stephen? Does time play tricks on on your memory?
Its amusing when Tom, upset by Mr Franks, maybe for reporting a fish, of course vents his spleen on a matter of grammar.
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If anyone wants the electro fishing figures for Lugg and Arrow then please pm me. David why don't you ask NK for the data?
Now, where is this weir that has magically turned up on the main stem of the Monnow and is preventing the Monnow achieving the same levels of improvement in Salmon numbers as the stocked Arrow? ( Arrow was stocked by WUF between 2005 and 2008 inclusive)
Now, where is this weir that has magically turned up on the main stem of the Monnow and is preventing the Monnow achieving the same levels of improvement in Salmon numbers as the stocked Arrow? ( Arrow was stocked by WUF between 2005 and 2008 inclusive)
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