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Downstream wet fly on rivers.

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#1 ·
Maybe some people know my stance on this, if not i think down stream wet fly is an incredibly efficient way to catch stupid small fish. While those who are good at it can catch alot of fish i have never had anything but small to average fish using this method, maybe i am just rubbish at it?

I am not talking of upstream wet fly, i dont have enough experience of this albeit i do upstream Nymph for Grayling (The trio) and find it the best method for catching Grayling in most of the places i fish. In some deeper and faster rivers Czech nymphing does however pip it to the post.

Can anyone convince me down stream wet fly is therefore something missing from my armory for trout and if so in what circumstances?

At the risk of stating the obvious i dont want a fight here, nor a slagging match i really want to know others thoughts please .An exchange of ideas:D. The only caveat being if you only fish wet downstream and no other methods i dont know how you can compare?

Anyone.....?
 
#2 ·
Hi Buzz

I fish a variety of methods and enjoy fishing spiders downstream. I don't think that it's as challenging as some other methods - certainly not like upstream spider fishing - but I find it very effective, catch a lot of fish on it (and plenty of good fish), and find it an exciting and relaxing way to fish. I think that if the method is approached as "cast across / down and let the flies swing on a taught line", yes, you will catch a lot of small fish, bump off loads more and catch the odd decent fish more by luck than judgement. When done well, the method requires a lot of reading of the water, casting across for the most part, feeding plenty of slack so that you get a decent dead drift and getting the flies to lift gently and naturally in or near the right lies. You can also match the hatch and avoid just using the classic Waterhen Bloa, Snipe and Purple, Partridge and Orange combo from March to September. You also get to cover a great deal of water without wearing yourself out as you might fishing upstream.

Ultimately, I don't think that I can sell it to you as a high art - it's not, but it is effective and not without skill when done with some thought. At the end of the day, I enjoy it and it's often the case that anglers will select methods they most enjoy over and above whether it's the most skillful. Like you, I'm not looking for a fight, but this perhaps explains why there are many anglers who only fish dries;)
 
#3 ·
i must agree most of the fish i have caught using the wet fly down and across method have been small fish in the quarter pound range,, with the odd one going to around the pound mark .
I have found most of my larger trout caught over the past few years have been of the top of the water, and have also been at around dawn or dusk,, when i feel bigger fish have that more confident look about them and their feeding routine is more easily predicted.
again i will say ,if looking to catch lots of fish then the down and across method will do that ,but to catch decent trout regularly then its got to be top of the water for me and for anyone else looking to catch that trophy, unless you get lucky .
 
#4 ·
i used to fish downstream wets for years until the river keeper on the wharfe told me upstream catches the better fish .

although i've had good trout and grayling using downstream wets i'd have to agree better fish are to be had upstream .

thats just my opinion;)
 
#7 ·
i used to fish downstream wets for years until the river keeper on the wharfe told me upstream catches the better fish .

although i've had good trout and grayling using downstream wets i'd have to agree better fish are to be had upstream .
thats just my opinion;)
its true sid ,harder work but more rewarding imho;)
 
#5 ·
I have to agree with you. It's not method I waste much time on these days, myself.

Having said that, I have found it to have merit on occasions when there is a hatch but a cold wind deters fish from rising. On such occasions, the nymph usually does the trick on my waters, but if for some reason that fails, then a team of spiders in conjunction with a moderately weighted nymph on the point, fished across and down on a controlled drift and swing, can sometimes move a few surprisingly decent fish I've found.

M
 
#6 · (Edited)
Hi', Lads. The troubles with the old-fashioned across and down wet fly presentation with a taut line were inability to fish more than a foot or so of the water column in streams, drag, and a bite indication that was by touch rather than sight. Creating slack line in the downstream presentation permits the trout to turn with the fly in its mouth before it feels the resistance of the leader and line. Yes, on a tight line you will feel every little knock or bump, but so will the trout, and it's a pound to a penny that it will feel the resistance before the rod tip registers it or the line hand feels it. The push of the water on the arrested tight line will ether hook the fish or give a bump which is the pent up energy being released as the fly is ejected. A strike in many cases is just a secondary setting of the hook, or it comes too late.
I didn't fish daytime wet fly effectively until I was asked to teach a family of four children who were the grandchildren of the lady who owned our finest stretch of fly water on the River Eden, back in 1974. They missed many bites fishing across and down, and weren't sufficiently skilled to fish dry fly, which I always found to be easier and more effective. Lake fishing wet or night fishing for sea trout, I could manage pretty well. So, I had to find a method for the kids that eliminated tight line misses.
The two best wet fly exponents that I knew were my old woodwork teacher from grammar school who fished up and across with a long cane rod, and a 'high stick' rod position, and a colleague at my place of work who fished across and down with a slack line. Every trout that he caught took line off the reel, as Gwyn Parry, my old workmate, never trapped the line under his finger. He tightened into his fish as they were looking the other way, so he didn't pull the hook out of an open mouth, as the rest of us often did when we started fishing 'the easy way.'
I taught the three elder children to cast up at about 45 degrees, then raise the rod tip to take up the slack as the line, leader and flies came back towards them, keeping in touch with the team of wets. At right angles to the bank, as they tracked the flies, the team was fishing at about as deep as unweighted flies could be expected to travel, and at this point, they were fishing with the loop in the line that became their bite indicator. To keep the flies fishing at depth, they could lower the rod as they tracked the flies around, and at any time beyond the right angles point, if they checked the rod movement, they produced a lift which sometimes produced induced takes.
When trout are 'on the fin' taking ascending nymphs, it was often possible for across and down fishers using sinking lines to drift their teams of flies under the trout on station. It wasn't until the line swung around and tightened that the pull of the current lifted the flies into the fish's field of vision. Then, the tight line bite was a case of self hooking, tighten to make sure, or a ping and a mssed trout. A floating line presentation might have got around the problem.
I taught the children to watch for a draw on the line as they tracked it and the flies around, and to tighten by lifting from about the 60 degrees to the horizontal up to the vertical rod positon. They caught far more fish that way, and each cast was a longer engagement with the water than it had been previously. I thought I might have evolved a new style in 1975, but learned from watching a Gary Borger video tape, purchased in 1989, that the method was used in America, where it was known as 'The Leisenring Lift.' Using a sinking line, it is called, I believe, 'The Brooks' Method', or something similar.
So, no fame for TC there. :):) Or did I beat Larry Leisenring to it? He sure as eggs is eggs didn't copy me.;);) Hope that helps a bit. Cheers, TerryC.
PS Do I use the method -- very little, some people never learn!!
 
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#8 ·
cant disagree with all the aforementioned effectiveness of upstream dry and im not a practitioner of the wet on rivers but there is a lengthy history behind the method that lives on in salmon and sea trout fishing and is part of the rich tapestry that is fly fishing,
need to get buzz on a sea trout pool in darkness;)
 
#9 ·
I remember reading in Bob Wyatts book that his pal was a firm believer in fishing down and across (Bob Morton?) - he seemed to prefer it over all other methods - Wyatt did say he seemed to catch his fair share of fish. I will look it out and have another read at what he says.

I think most people learned to fish down and across and I have got to admit I used to love it and caught a phenomenal amount of fish this way - there is no simpler way of teaching someone how to catch a trout than getting them to dangle a wee flashy fly in a run you know holds trout.
 
#10 ·
i will still fish downstream when the conditions are needed , some good pools on my local river the Wear are too deep and overgrown to approach from downstream and fish up .

i've had some of my best grayling fishing this method when the flies lift thru the water at the end of the drift .
 
#11 ·
some very interesting stuff mentioned.

I have the same thoughts as sid, some places just dont suit upstream.

I have to ask when you guys say you fish upstream, do you only fish your flies back until they are square accross from you or do you fish them downstream as well? I know I fish my nymphs and dries that way, especially when you feel there is a lie you need to cover or a fish has risen just downstream of you and you are on your way upstream.
it is very possible to fish drag free when fishing downstream.
 
#12 ·
Great thread! I have been fishing upstream wet myself the last 3 nights. Hit 3 very small trout first night, 5 the next night and 1 last night. All little fella's but great sport nonetheless. As a beginner i find it easier to fish as i usually fish the dry patterns on the local lake which yields good sized stockies, but for a walk down the river i have to say i am really enjoying fishing upstream.
 
#13 ·
I'm in total agreement with Mark,I dont think Ive ever caught an above average fish using down and across wet fly.Possibly due to it being an indiscriminate method,or maybe the big fellas arent so easilly fooled by the unatural presentation of the flies down to the way I fish them,whatever.
With dries you can cherry-pick yer targets,so the average weight is bound to be higher.
 
#14 ·
Wets

Im in the same boat caught plenty with the method but mostly very small fish,i wonder buzz, if fishing this method in the dark,i mean the real dark would catch the better fish because as zoomer said about seatrout big fish come to this method ,i know ive caught them and they almost pull the rod out your hand,at the end of the day the seatrout is only a brown thats had a dip in the salt water,i wonder!
 
#18 ·
Im in the same boat caught plenty with the method but mostly very small fish,i wonder buzz, if fishing this method in the dark,i mean the real dark would catch the better fish because as zoomer said about seatrout big fish come to this method ,i know ive caught them and they almost pull the rod out your hand,at the end of the day the seatrout is only a brown thats had a dip in the salt water,i wonder!
I'ver been catching a good few big brownies at night while targeting sea trout on the downstream wets. My thinking is that once the night come, the big brownies are a little bit less 'careful' and that's why presentation is less important. During the day, that's another story and I wouldn't fish wets during the day anyway...

Now what about downstream dries :whistle: ;) :whistle:
 
#16 ·
Many people (TC for one) have described the intelligent way of downstream wet (slack line / dead drift). I fish this way when there isn't much life in the water I want to cover and/or it's the best way of reaching the target fish (when there's a rise); it's better described I think as 45 degrees up to 45 degrees down. The you can deliberately enable the fish to turn with the fly - or prompt a take with a slight draw (in slow water - see PP's recent series in T&S on fishing river pools).
I had my best ever grayling last friday fishing this method It was neither small (at 2lb 4 oz) nor stupid. I remain to be convinced I could have reached it upstream without draping my leader around its head!
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