Let's all stick with the diesel burners. ?

 

A modern Diesel engine with a catalytic converter does very little harm.
S.

 

The post appears to have been created by a fireman from Florida.
Has the post been fact checked? The last sentence adds suspicion to me.

 

Snopes is the one for this stuff

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/electric-cars-abandoned-france/

 

It's worse than petrol and diesel yet we believe we're doing the right thing..

 

Hydrogen

 

I reckon that's the real future, Toyota think so too.
S.

 

going to go half way with a hybrid

 

All electric by 2030?

What I don't understand is how is the ordinary working man is going to be able to afford one!



Douglas

 

All electric by 2030?

What I don't understand is how is the ordinary working man is going to be able to afford one!

Douglas

HP installment

 

It’s a toss up whether or not I’ll pack up before my old Jag does, but I suspect it could well go round the clock again ….and it’s only ever had one new battery. Don’t think there’s an electric car to match that that yet.
B

 

It's a toss up whether or not I'll pack up before my old Jag does, but I suspect it could well go round the clock again ….and it's only ever had one new battery. Don't think there's an electric car to match that that yet.
B

The resale value of petrol and diesel is ebbing now and will soon be gone so you may as well drive it till it wears out, but be warned, there are Jag's from before the war yet to reach this stage

 

Are we being conned again? we were told diesel wasn't a problem, I have a small TD Car which I like but what happens when they are banned but I was reading Fiat have converted one of their small cars to an Electric motor, but it's Batteries again , easker1

 

1st off, the batteries are very recyclable and they do last with little depreciation in functionality. Unless they're French. In France, to make money they rented the batteries to the car owners and they weren't the best.
Battery technology is improving, better, cheaper and faster charging with more range.
Far less parts to maintain with an EV than ICE one.
2 main problems with EVs.
Time it takes to charge, can only run battery down to 20% and only charge to 80% with any chargers over 7KW., hence only able to use 60% of battery. I.E, 100 mile range but only able to to do 60 miles. Then it can take over an hour to charge up to that 60 mile range. Can you imagine doing an hours drive, stop for an hour and half for another hour of driving, so on so forth!!!
Charging stations, far too confusing as you need to work out which ones you can use, some you have to register to use, some charge you a fee (registration fee) before you can use them, you need charge cards (several to use different companies) or Apps on your mobile.

I'm more than happy with my "PHEV", plug in hybrid. Driving electric only is great for 30 miles which takes little over an hour with my 7KW home charger. Thankfully with the knowledge and security of the petrol engine, fill tank up from almost empty to full in not much more than 10 mins and get many hundreds of miles. ? Granted, the petrol side does cost at least twice as much as the leccy.

 

1st off, the batteries are very recyclable and they do last with little depreciation in functionality. Unless they're French. In France, to make money they rented the batteries to the car owners and they weren't the best.
Battery technology is improving, better, cheaper and faster charging with more range.
Far less parts to maintain with an EV than ICE one.
2 main problems with EVs.
Time it takes to charge, can only run battery down to 20% and only charge to 80% with any chargers over 7KW., hence only able to use 60% of battery. I.E, 100 mile range but only able to to do 60 miles. Then it can take over an hour to charge up to that 60 mile range. Can you imagine doing an hours drive, stop for an hour and half for another hour of driving, so on so forth!!!
Charging stations, far too confusing as you need to work out which ones you can use, some you have to register to use, some charge you a fee (registration fee) before you can use them, you need charge cards (several to use different companies) or Apps on your mobile.

I'm more than happy with my "PHEV", plug in hybrid. Driving electric only is great for 30 miles which takes little over an hour with my 7KW home charger. Thankfully with the knowledge and security of the petrol engine, fill tank up from almost empty to full in not much more than 10 mins and get many hundreds of miles. ? Granted, the petrol side does cost at least twice as much as the leccy.

I thought PHEV cars and other Hybrids would be caught by the proposed legislation.
Im off to Thurso in a few weeks and the journey in an all electric car would be a logistical nightmare. Even if I got there trying to find a charging point in the middle of a wilderness would be nigh on impossible.

 

What's this? a car you can refuel for 20p? stuff that I'm sticking with rising diesel prices?

 

I think its more about when the world runs out of fossil fuels.
Electric cars, the range gets less and less, the old Nissan leaf did 120 miles, when new, after a few yeas it gets 55 miles on a full charge.
So these batteries will have to be replaced and the old ones dismantled !!!
Charging all these cars, on my street, I have counted 15 cars, and that's nothing compared to most.
How are they going to manage that.
The pollution experts are now saying that tyres create a load of pollution, tiny bits of rubber flake off and get washed down the drains and in to the oceans.
Brake pad dust is also creating problems, the sun light on the paint reacts and the paint gives off fumes.

 

Hydrogen could be the way forward. No precious metal reliance (or China), no nasty batteries to dispose of and the most important thing - no lengthy recharge times and decent ranges.
Toyota is ahead of the game here but it needs refilling infrastructure like Petrol.

 

Mazda have a hydrogen fueled car in their museum

 

Well until a reasonably priced, quick, large SUV that can do 750 miles on a single charge becomes available I’m sticking to smelly old oil burners.


Round trips to parts of rural Scotland from where I live would be a nightmare with the current recharging options.

I think I might have a long wait though

 

I am not anti the green agenda, or anything like it. I know that we need to act fast or else we will ruin the planet for all time.

However, I think battery reliant cars are just not the answer. They are never going to have the range that is needed for practical every day living and working: like the sales rep or the electrician driving his van all day long. Or the truck driver. In Ireland anyway, the people who push electric cars the most are those who need a car with range the least: relatively affluent urban dwellers who don't drive a whole pile.

To me it seems obvious that hydrogen is the answer. They have cracked out the engine already, the only thing lagging behind is the refuelling infrastructure - which I acknowledge is not simple, and has to be ultra safe as Hydrogen is so flammable.

 

I am not anti the green agenda, or anything like it. I know that we need to act fast or else we will ruin the planet for all time.

However, I think battery reliant cars are just not the answer. They are never going to have the range that is needed for practical every day living and working: like the sales rep or the electrician driving his van all day long. Or the truck driver. In Ireland anyway, the people who push electric cars the most are those who need a car with range the least: relatively affluent urban dwellers who don't drive a whole pile.

To me it seems obvious that hydrogen is the answer. They have cracked out the engine already, the only thing lagging behind is the refuelling infrastructure - which I acknowledge is not simple, and has to be ultra safe as Hydrogen is so flammable.

In fairness petrol is pretty flammable too! It's about political will in the end. If Formula 1 went to hydrogen fuel I dare say the roll out would be much faster. I cannot understand why governments haven't shown more enthusiasm for hydrogen. You can use surplus power generation from renewables instead of paying them to switch off to make the stuff. It is familiar in terms of use and produces no waste and can be made in the UK.

 

The next item to be banned to help climate change are "gas boilers".
There already electric boilers out but are expensive to run as electricity is more expensive than gas.
So unless we very quickly get non polluting reusable clean energy we're doomed.

 

So unless we very quickly get non polluting reusable clean energy we're doomed.

We are obviously doomed, the human population keeps growing and we need to keep using up the earths resources to have shiny new stuff, the question is how long we can eek it out for, look on the bright side, we won't be around when it gets difficult.

 

Have your say:

https://s.surveyplanet.com/_E8enmkEw

 

When I bought my last car it was a used diesel but you could see the process, all the new cars in the showroom were electric or hybrid, you simply trade in your old petrol or diesel and drive out in a very similar car but it's electric, for most this is the way they do it, similar costs, almost replace like with like except you refuel with electricity, the changeover is happening as we speak, and there will come a point where economically that is the cheaper option.

 

bring back steam, like the Stanley or the White, or a stirling engine I believe the US postal service Used the stirling engine , and the USAF were using stirling engines, easker1

 

When I was a lad we had trackless trams and a milkman called Ernie, he drove the fastest electric milk cart in the west, so whats new

 

Apparently there's only a limited range of hybrid and electric car models which are suitable for towing.

 

A Tesla x will but its starting price is £82 K and with extras ££132 K out of the reach of most

 

Hydrogen comes in 3 flavours now:

Dirty- produced from steam reforming of natural gas or other hydrocarbon feedstock, lots of CO2 produced as a byproduct.

Blue Hydrogen- as above but the plan is to sequester the carbon as in carbon capture and storage (CCS) and CC and re-use of carbon

Green Hydrogen- produced from clean/renewable energy.

Somewhere between the green and the blue is the stuff currently produced by electrolysis, depends on the predominant grid supply carbon equivalents.

Plans are afoot to inject blue hydrogen into the natural gas grid and blend it in with methane to reduce the carbon footprint. There are limits to how much hydrogen can be added in the main grid due to various complicated technical reasons and the capability of existing gas consuming devices to handle the different fuel.

There are also trials going on with pure hydrogen in gas grids.

 

I looked at the purchase of an Outlander phev before Xmas but the electric range can be as short as 25 miles no thanks . We bought a 2.0 litre diesel Kuga 44 mpg .

 

So, if I buy a new petrol car in 2029 - How long do you think that fuel will be available for?

Purely a hypothetical question - If I was to reach that age, I doubt I'd be able to drive anyway!



Douglas

 

So, if I buy a new petrol car in 2029 - How long do you think that fuel will be available for?

Purely a hypothetical question - If I was to reach that age, I doubt I'd be able to drive anyway!

Douglas

As of 2015 there were around 50 years left of current oil reserves, however, that assumed a certain rate of increase of global oil consumption that has since declined - one of the few benefits of the pandemic. The difficulty with synthetic fuels is that they need vast amounts of renewable energy - seems daft to use it all for Porsche drivers, suspect airlines might want first crack at any such fuel.

 

Synthetic fuel will be mainstream by then :

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/...car-news/industry-news-environment/porsche-begin-producing-synthetic-fuels-2022

https://www.dw.com/en/porsche-to-produce-fuel-as-clean-as-electric-vehicles/a-56787413

 

I'm all for electric cars, mainly because I'll be dead by the time I'm forced to drive one. No, seriously I agree with the need however, I don't understand their workings at all being mechanically illiterate. Why do you have to plug them in to charge them? Why can they not recharge themselves like my dynamo lamp used to on my bicycle?
Like I said, mechanically illiterate.

Reg Wyatt

 

It's the future.